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Old Jan 19, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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Re: Toyota: They never look for a silver bullet

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BTW, just to clarify something: While I do tire of reading (seemingly) endless posts about Toyota/Lexus products on a Z28 forum, I can understand (and even appreciate) your enthusiasm for cutting edge auto technology. I do enjoy reading your posts and having a healthy discussion about our varying points of view. I appreciate you keeping these disagreements civil. Best wishes.
Thanks for your honesty but realize that I didn't start this thread. In fact I almost never start threads here unless I'm posting new product information. Otherwise I mainly just join pre-existing discussions that others have started about Toyota (usually bashing them) or GM (usually praising them) and don't always agree, so I stick out like a sore thumb sometimes. I'd say my approach is already relatively conservative. I'm honestly here to learn new things, not to further some sort of retarded hidden agenda.
Old Jan 19, 2006 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Threxx
not to further some sort of retarded hidden agenda.
Who makes a retarded hidden agenda?
Old Jan 21, 2006 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Threxx
And the IS' chassis and suspension was specifically tuned and intended to work best within the predictable perameters of Lexus' VDIM stability control. With that said, there's sort of a 'secret code' that can be entered to disable VDIM entirely, but it's intended to be kind of hush hush so that the average idiot doesn't think he's a better driver than his stability control system and try to turn it off to show off his 'mad skills'.

Can you tell me this secret code, or do I have to ask some ten year-old on a Nintendo forum?
Old Jan 21, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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Can you tell me this secret code, or do I have to ask some ten year-old on a Nintendo forum?
Mercedes had this kind of horse sh*t on a previous SLK, and I think maybe the M3 did(does?) as well. I hate this kind of crap. Having to enter a secret code for you car is ridiculous. I know if I shelled out some big dollars for an IS460 and I had to enter some secret code to turn off the computer nannies, I would not be one happy customer.
Old Jan 21, 2006 | 11:56 AM
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Re: Toyota: They never look for a silver bullet

Is this thread going to end up with a Civic racing a truck?
Old Jan 21, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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Re: Toyota: They never look for a silver bullet

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Is this thread going to end up with a Civic racing a truck?
So who thinks the new Civic SI will be faster than the Colorado Extreme regular cab 5 speed?
Old Jan 21, 2006 | 01:07 PM
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Mercedes had this kind of horse sh*t on a previous SLK, and I think maybe the M3 did(does?) as well. I hate this kind of crap. Having to enter a secret code for you car is ridiculous. I know if I shelled out some big dollars for an IS460 and I had to enter some secret code to turn off the computer nannies, I would not be one happy customer.
If the IS460 comes out, hopefully it'll have a defeat switch.

A lot of the IS350 guys are wiring their own defeat switch with a simple on/off switch inline with one of the fuses. It makes the car think that something is out of spec with the stability control system, so it disables the system entirely.

That or enter the 'code'

http://www.autospies.com/article/ind...0&categoryId=1
Old Jan 21, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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So who thinks the new Civic SI will be faster than the Colorado Extreme regular cab 5 speed?
I don't see the Colorado running consistent low 15s in the 1/4 or handling as well so I'd say yeah, the Civic would be faster.
Old Jan 23, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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Considering that one is a pickup truck, geared towards towing, I'd certainly hope that a lightweight passenger car could beat it. Maybe that's the real joke: that somebody would even have to question the point.
Old Jan 23, 2006 | 07:28 PM
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Re: Toyota: They never look for a silver bullet

It actually had me intrigued, so I checked it out:
The Colorado (assuming I5) clocks in at 8.4s:
http://www.carsdirect.com/research/n...s#acceleration
The Civic SI: does a 0-60 in 7.2s:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...9/pageId=66617

The Civic EX in 9.6s:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...1/pageId=67700

8.4s doesn't seem to be too bad. It's a pickup, not a sports car.. However, I *would* complain about that pathetic 4000lb towing limit on the truck..that's disgraceful.
Old Jan 23, 2006 | 07:51 PM
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Re: Toyota: They never look for a silver bullet

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It actually had me intrigued, so I checked it out:
The Colorado (assuming I5) clocks in at 8.4s:
http://www.carsdirect.com/research/n...s#acceleration
The Civic SI: does a 0-60 in 7.2s:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...9/pageId=66617

The Civic EX in 9.6s:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...1/pageId=67700

8.4s doesn't seem to be too bad. It's a pickup, not a sports car.. However, I *would* complain about that pathetic 4000lb towing limit on the truck..that's disgraceful.
Yup, that's maximum towing too, standard towing is as low as 1600 on the LS 2WD ext cab.

That website with the Colorado time has mostly base motors listed. I was suspicious when I saw the new Tacoma listed as only 8.7 seconds or something like that to 60 but then I saw the I4... the V6 @ 245hp and plenty of torque should be somewhere in the low 7s I'd guess. I know our 4runner is heavier and has the same motor and is rated 0-60 in as low as 7.2 seconds (though typically closer to 8 seconds)
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