Take it easy you have made your point and it's valid. Quit dismissing this debate over China and their business as just blind GM loyalty. I know your very determined to prove it.
You said in a prior post that legitimate business and media and those that read them are usually smart enough to ferret out facts from fantasy. I say this is a healthy debate over doing business in China. We’re not talking about Japan, South Korea or India. There is just a question with holding a standard used by free market corporations in dealing with a communist state.

I’m as big of a GM homer as you’ll ever meet and I don’t know what to make of this. Did they cook the books; well they have done worse things in the past. I only want GM to have the #1 spot only if they earn it and are making money. This whole thing is just a formality anyway; Toyota will take the top spot. If not in 2007 it will be ’08 or ’09. You can’t deny a corp. that has consistent sales increases and profits year over year. However, there is so much more involved in sales and subsidies and partnerships and when you add up over 9.3 million vehicles sold worldwide I would think there are lots of potential questions that could be raised for many of those sales. And with the #1 up for grabs we are seeing some of those questions being raised. Up until the last few years there was no reason to examine sales under a microscope as the game wasn't close enough. We'll see what Toyota has to say when they reveal their sales figures.

 

Ok!

 

Exactly. and the thing is I am not stating that case for GM. Really I do not care if it was Dodge or Ford never less GM. The fact I am stating is the way China runs its goverment..this being a communist country..the rules do not apply to them as they do the rest of the world..
China does not play by the rules..therfor the rules do not apply..the standards as I see them do not work in a measure for anything in the Chinese market since its not possible to own a majority share..since China the country owns it..and always will. So any invested interest in the country can only be as much as the country allows..
I am glad you keep jabbing us back with the GM homer act..when all we been saying is China has to be counted in a different way..
The thing is with China they own 50% of a company but owning it is part of it being a communist state..they do not dictate policy or are on the board. Its just part of what China does to run a company there you have to give up your 50% share in ownership..its not worth anythign as it was never publicly traded in stocks or anything..its just saying China as a goverment owns everything in China..a communist goverment runs its buisness like that. if thats GM fudging the numbers?? then I really dont know what your jabbing us back with that...China is the one not playing by the rules the rest of the world set up..

I mean what if Toyota comes out with the same % with numbers from China of controlling of a company there?? If so they count..if not then GM is in the wrong..

and for the record of a GM loyalist? I must be arrested..my Camaro is torn apart and on jackstands dismantled...
I been driving Fords for some years now...

 

There is no way for me to know someone’s motivation in arguing about the 34% but whether it’s based on loyalty to GM or on hatred of communist China or just because someone likes a good argument is not really material.

What does seem pretty clear, however, is GM’s motivation in its reporting methodology this year.

It’s very true that in the overall scheme of things, this is pretty unimportant - I just wish GM had the guts to admit its real motivation.

 

Does anyone know the answer?

 

hey when it does get this close you count all your pennies..and yes even though they dont admit it I will say GM sure does care..or they would not include them if it did not make a diff.

 

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