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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 09:47 PM
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Wow...wish I could just look at teh car in black and white. The ManGenta is a little...well...not manly
Very Mazda 3-ish in design, and it looks about the same size. So, whos got there Photoshop Camaro up?
Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:01 PM
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Here is an article from goauto.com.au, I don't have the time atm to see if it is on the site yet :P

TORANA
IS REBORN!

Holden unveils
twin-turbo medium-sized
hatchback concept in Sydney

By MARTON PETTENDY

TORANA is back.
As revealed exclusively in GoAuto e-news last
month, Holden has created – and now taken the
wraps off – a stunning new mid-sized concept car
that resurrects the Torana nameplate and features a
twin-turbo version of the new Port Melbourne-built
Alloytec V6.
Dubbed the “Torana TT36”, the hot-pink
hatchback is tangible evidence that the idea of a
medium-sized rear-drive Holden to rival the likes of
BMW’s all-conquering 3 Series – a concept openly
pursued at one point by former Holden boss Peter
Hanenberger – remains alive and well at Fishermens
Bend … and beyond.
It’s also proof of the performance potential
available in Commodore’s 3.6-litre V6.
By applying twin KO4 Warner turbochargers, an
air-to-air intercooler and variable valve actuation to
its Alloytec 190, then dropping the compression to
9.0:1, Holden engineers were able to deliver a power
peak of 280kW and no less than 480Nm of torque,
with 90 per cent available from just 1600rpm.
Despite being offi cially described as a hand-built
experimental engine, its output sends a clear signal
that, come the next generation VE Commodore
from 2006, Holden will be able to strike back at
Ford’s successful XR6 Turbo with a force-fed sixcylinder
of its own.
Combined with a heavy-duty six-speed manual
transmission with a fi nal drive ratio of a short 3:73
– and a kerb weight that should easily undercut
Commodore’s – Torana TT36 would also be a
performance powerhouse in its own right. If it gets
the green light.
Describing TT36 as Torana’s spiritual successor,
Holden chairman and managing director Denny
Mooney said the concept – originally named
XP54, indicating it’s an experimental project and
recognising Holden’s so-called Studio 54 design
workshop in Melbourne’s outer suburbs – differs
from previous Holden concepts by sharing elements
of GM’s global vehicle underpinnings.
These are believed to include GM’s rear-drive
Kappa architecture, from which the Pontiac Solstice
roadster is built, but GoAuto also understands the
Torana could have been modified heavily enough
to take on a whole new GM platform name of its
own.
One source suggests this new name could be Beta.
“Torana TT36 represents a revolution in concept car design
at Holden. We’ve unveiled several examples of our design
fl exibility and build capability in recent years but this car is
exceptional for yet another reason,” Mr Mooney said.
“All recent showcars have been based on our Commodore
V-car platform. Torana TT36, on the other hand, shares many basic
structural elements with the latest GM sports concepts and much of its
chassis componentry is sourced directly from GM.
“It is the fi rst Holden showcar to merge Australian design
and engineering expertise with GM technical resources. Quite
simply, for us it is a ‘game changer’ in automotive design and
production.”
GM product supremo Bob Lutz is on record as saying a
global market of 120,000 vehicles would need to be found
to make Torana manufacture viable – a production volume
Holden, which already produces 180,000 Commodore-based vehicles annually,
is not in a position to meet.
But if a large section of Torana’s potential market was found in Asian markets closer to Australia than the Wilmington, Delaware plant that currently produces all Kappa architecture-based GM vehicles, production of Torana by Holden in a dedicated Australian factory could prove a reality.At the very least, Holden stands to gain lucrative royalties from its intellectual
design property if Torana is produced offshore.
Completed only last weekend, construction of the Torana TT36 showcar
began just fi ve months ago following initial work by former Holden design
director Mike Simcoe, who passed the baton to his successor Tony Stolfo, under
whose leadership UK youngster Ewan Kingsbury fi nished the project.
Said to “showcase bold directional design themes”, the four-seater hatch
features a minimalist black-and-white
leather interior, panoramic glass sunroof extending from
the steeply raked windscreen to the hatch and 20-inch,
10-spoke alloys.
“It’s very performance-driven in terms of the size of
the apertures, the air intakes and grille,” said Mr Stolfo.
“The fenders and quarter panels are pumped to accentuate width and stance.
“It also displays some of the key proportions we’ll see in future cars generally:
front wheels forward, minimal overhang, high belt lines and a high deck. All
these elements create strength and purpose and deliver expressive contemporary
styling.
“The hatch style gives us a very fast line running over the top, and we’ve
given it strong directional lines. In terms of overall design intent, it’s far more
sophisticated sports machine than street machine.
“And because it’s a vehicle which delivers a really large interior compartment
in relation to its exterior size, it shows off our packaging skills, which are a
traditional Holden strength.”
The original Torana was built locally between 1974 and 1979 and last
conquered Bathurst in V8 A9X guise some 25 years ago.

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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:08 PM
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also...that engine bay looks very production. Only thing that looks "concept" is the interior and headlights.

Also, this could deffinatly be this upcoming Pontiac. I think that Holden, Vaux, and Pontiac all need to be on the same playing field. You know that this will be in Europe, and it will probably make it into the US as a Pontiac.
This is a great move for Holden and looks to be a great future for Pontiac, GM Europe, and the hope of a future Camaro.
Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:13 PM
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looks VERY similar to this one which has been out for . . EVER?

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...?modelid=20005

Tailgate is better on the old one, and it has an AWDtrain & V8.

As a family man w/ a Dog, this would be the ULTIMATE vehicle. GM needs to do something quick otherwise I'll end up in a Magnum.

Mike
Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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Can Holden just take over all styling for GMNA already . That is the type of american 4 door sedan that should be in america NOW . Very sweet
Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:23 PM
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They guy that was in charge of Holden design is now one of the big shots in NA.
If this was out, I would deffinatly get this over the Maxx, with or without twin turbos.
Anyone find size numbers yet?
Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Als Z
Anyone find size numbers yet?
I'm looking. So far....none have been released. Maybe tomorrow.
Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:34 PM
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Ok, so the new monte is slated for Zeta and Camaro on this Torana(Coupe version)?
Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:49 PM
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Ok, still need to get dimensions but, here's what we have on "Beta" so far....

BMW 3 series sized. 2+2 seating. Able to take 400-ish horsepower and 400-ish ft/lbs torque. Will fit a T-56. Package protected for 20" wheels. Rigid hydroformed rail frame with forged alloy (control arms and knuckles), SLA front and rear suspension with coil overs and huge brakes. A large interior with a small exterior.

This is what I propose:
Slip a snarling V8 under the hood. Give it agressively inspiring "ponycar" coupe sheetmetal that says, " Hello, I'm Camaro...and I'm here to rip you a new one". Add 3 Z/28 emblems. Oh, and lets keep the 3.73 gears.....it's a Z/28 tradition.

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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:55 PM
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Hello, I'm Camaro...and I'm here to rip you a new one

Red, make sure this finds its way into the Camaro's ads will ya!

Quote of the Year.
Old Oct 7, 2004 | 12:22 AM
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The Camaro chops have begun.....

http://www.sub300.com/gm/ccon2.jpg
Old Oct 7, 2004 | 12:31 AM
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Rex's chop is very nice! His first chop was a little bit boring.
That one has a bit of my input on it
Old Oct 7, 2004 | 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mgreen
looks VERY similar to this one which has been out for . . EVER?

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...?modelid=20005

Tailgate is better on the old one, and it has an AWDtrain & V8.

As a family man w/ a Dog, this would be the ULTIMATE vehicle. GM needs to do something quick otherwise I'll end up in a Magnum.

Mike
The car you discuss is the SSX, which debuted at the Sydney Motor Show two years ago. Max Wolff (the designer) and i drove it up the back streets of Newtown into a studio to shoot it overnight on the first night of the show.
it was based on the running gear and chassis of the then-upcoming HSV Coupe4. It was Commodore sized.
The Torana is much, much smaller than that. a bit smaller than Vectra. it's NOT based on Kappa. it does use complete Solstace suspension systems, but the bit they bolt onto is not Kappa in any way.
It does use similar engineering philosophies to Kappa in the way it has been built, but there isn't a single interchangeable or recognisable segment of the chassis that is Kappa.
And, yep, the paint is crook. worse in the metal than it is in the pics.
Old Oct 7, 2004 | 03:28 AM
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you could easily fit a v8 into the older versions, so why dont they. I know for a fact because i see them driving around sydney all the time, and they sound beasty, they have also got the advantage that their small, bringing lighness. One of the records down here from a v8 is from the torana and its in the 8s on the quarter. maybe gm is just becoming more conscious of the rising oil prices, hence less v8 models coming out. i dunno what oil prices are like in the states but in oz the oil is starting to sky rocket...
what do yous think...?
Old Oct 7, 2004 | 03:37 AM
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Oz mikey ... will it take a V8 ? , smaller than the vectra eh...


what are they trying to immitate ? the HB torana ? sheesh...

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