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View Poll Results: Which is the coolest?
SS
8
16.33%
HSV
17
34.69%
GPX
1
2.04%
SVT
13
26.53%
PVO
1
2.04%
V Series
9
18.37%
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Which of these performance divisions/model lines is the coolest ?

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Old Sep 10, 2003 | 07:30 AM
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There is nothing wrong with voting for SS over GXP.

The question is "which is cooler", not "which performs the best". If that were the question, why even have a poll?

It's an opinion .


For the record... I voted V-Series.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 08:17 AM
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
There is nothing wrong with voting for SS over GXP.

The question is "which is cooler", not "which performs the best". If that were the question, why even have a poll?

It's an opinion .


For the record... I voted V-Series.
The SS might look a little better, but being short changed in the performance department isn't cool. Especially when the GP costs less and all the parts are readily available.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by steves
The SS might look a little better, but being short changed in the performance department isn't cool. Especially when the GP costs less and all the parts are readily available.

That is your opinion... nothing wrong with that, but there is nothing wrong with someone thinking the SS's are cooler.

Apparently more people thought Mustangs were cooler than Camaros recently... even though Mustang was at a performance disadvantage for quite a long time.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 12:16 PM
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Yes, the Mustang was at a performance (hp and speed) disadvantage to the Camaro and Firebird for some time between the 93 and 02 model years. But, I think after seeing Ford's success with the 5.0 Mustang during the late eighties and early ninties....GM was so determined not to play second fiddle on performance image that they forgot to make the F-body a really good car, and not just a reall good muscle car.

A very good friend of mine has a 2000 or 2002 WS6 T/A....The one with the four scoops in the fron of the hood, as if it were wearing bi-focals. The car is awesome, and he is a "knowledgeable" gearhead in the extreme. The man drag races semi professionally..and is very good at it. He and his brother are also the largest part of the race cars (1968 Camaro) "pit crew"

First problem, and it has been hashed out so many times but it is worth pointing out again. The cat hump in the passenger well is exactly where I want put my feet. Nowhere else is comfortable. To all this a minor oversite would be akin to calling a tattoo on Kathy Irelands forehead a slight problem.

Build quality, while much improved, is still very, very suspect. I have still, never seen a F-Body over about three years old that had doors that swung right. And, the engine is halfway under the dash? This is okay on a Cavalier, but folks want to work on this car and that is a hassle that, while it can be overcome....why?

My racing buddy with the WS6...has done nothing but a K&N filter. Why? He said he could mess with the motor, but it just isn't worth the hassle. I qoute directly here "If I was going to build a hot street car I would start with a Mustang because it is so much easier to work on" He went on to mention that while prior to the new Mach 1 and Cobra the F-Body was faster, that doesn't really matter much when you are gonna rebuild everything anyway. Now with no power advantage stock, the F-Body is still harder to work on?

Motor Trend compared the last Z28 and a 2002 Cobra, and the Cobra won. Why? The Cobra was just a much better car than the F-body. and a better all around performance car.I can always add power, pretty easilt, to a GT, Mach 1 , or Cobra and make it faster. Taking that cat convt. hump out of a F-body so my legs fit is just ridiculous.

I hope the F-Body does come back. But, GM is gonna have to put more thought into it than they did in 93.
Old Sep 11, 2003 | 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by jsaylor

I hope the F-Body does come back. But, GM is gonna have to put more thought into it than they did in 93.
I agree. ALOT MORE THOUGHT!
Old Sep 11, 2003 | 03:44 PM
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Wow look at all those SVT votes. I wonder what the problem is this is a Camaro board right?
Old Sep 11, 2003 | 05:48 PM
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Wow look at all those SVT votes. I wonder what the problem is this is a Camaro board right?
Just because it's a Camaro board doesn't mean we can't be truthful and objective.

SVT runs and finances itself. It chooses which dealers sell & service their cars by high customer satisfaction. They have what is in essence their own customer service network. They don't stick their name on everything they can, but they don't price their vehicles into the stratosphere either. SVT means a unique engine (save the current Focus ) & suspension, not an appearance package. Finally, whereas GMPD & PVO were formed to create special cars for various divisions, SVT runs, finances, & markets itself, as well as sell it's vehicles with it's own name attatached.

Being that HSV isn't available here in the US, SVT is simply the better performance group, that's all.
Old Sep 11, 2003 | 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by guionM
Just because it's a Camaro board doesn't mean we can't be truthful and objective.
I like comming on this board because out of all the other boards I've gone on this one is the most truthful and objective for the most part, and there are alot of intelligent people here. I might not see eye to eye with everyone but do you really believe that everyone is truthful and objective 100% of the time?
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