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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 01:23 PM
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Stupid New Engine Award

Whats this all about?
2.5L inline 6
155hp @ 5800rpm

Atleast it's cheap @ $16k-$19k
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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 01:26 PM
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I don't get it. What's so stupid about it?
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 01:30 PM
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Can you find out the peak torque on the engine? I think that would answer your question. I understand your point with respect to HP, but an inline six should produce significantly more torque than you'd expect from an I4.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 01:30 PM
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You can get more power out of a smaller, less complicated 4 banger. 155hp is a bit week for a 6 cylinder. Suzuki definately does things their own way.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 02:42 PM
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Sounds like a good idea to me. 155 hp@5800rpm, 177lb.ft@4000rpm.

Compared to their Vitara's 2.5L V6: 165hp@6500rpm, 162lb.ft@4000rpm.

The inline 6 has a flatter torque curve, which should make it great for everyday driving. Plus, its and Inline, not a V, so cheap, simple and smooth and easy to service.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by slt
You can get more power out of a smaller, less complicated 4 banger. 155hp is a bit week for a 6 cylinder. Suzuki definately does things their own way.
Horsepower? Maybe. Torque? Never. You can't just look at the horsepower numbers and not look at the torque numbers. That would be "stupid".
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 03:59 PM
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Seems to me that an inline-4 of similar displacement would have been a much better choice.
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 04:04 PM
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doen't sound too impressive..

Is it oversquare? Maybe they plan on revving the bejeebus out of it in later interations....
Old Sep 12, 2003 | 04:34 PM
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Suzuki really does do things thier own way. They thrive in the shadows. I didn't realize until a couple months ago how many of thier little Sidekick or whatever SUV's were running around. Some of these Crotch Rocket manufacturers should brign thier small displacement high revving engines to the states. Yamaha has some snowmobile engines that push 150hp out of 1.0L 4-bangers. Slap a CVT on it and you'll have quick lil pocket rocket.
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Eric Bryant
Seems to me that an inline-4 of similar displacement would have been a much better choice.
An inline 4 would never be as smooth as a inline 6, and at 2.5 liters would need counter-balance shafts (extra $ and complexity).

Besides, every competitor of Suzuki offers a inline 4 of similar dispacement. An inline 6 helps differentiate Suzuki.

If Honda, Toyota or Nissan were doing this, people would have a more favorable impression of the idea.

Also read that GM was involved in the development of this vehicle. Maybe we should expect a re-badged /reskinned version of it here.
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 03:13 PM
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It's not a Suzuki at all. The two new Suzuki cars are rebadged Daewoos. They, along with the Chevrolet Aveo, the first three resultant products of GMs Daewoo takeover. I don't think we'll see GM branded versions of these cars in the U.S., but I think they are going to be sold as Chevys in Mexico.
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 04:20 PM
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It seems like it would be difficult to package an inline 6 in a front wheel drive car like that. I wonder what the transmission looks like.
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by JEDCamino
It seems like it would be difficult to package an inline 6 in a front wheel drive car like that. I wonder what the transmission looks like.
Volvo already does it in their S80, although that is a bit bigger car.
Old Sep 18, 2003 | 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by JEDCamino
It seems like it would be difficult to package an inline 6 in a front wheel drive car like that. I wonder what the transmission looks like.
A inline 6 with the same displacement as a inline 4 will have smaller cylinder bores, so the block isn't as long as you'd expect. Plus, if they go with a small bore long stroke design for more low rpm torque, this allows the block to be even shorter still. Add the fact that they increesed the cars track width, and packaging shouldn't be a problem. Remember, it is only 2.5 liter.
Old Sep 18, 2003 | 01:48 PM
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Suzuki's inline 6 2.5L should be less than 3 inches wider than an inline 4 2.5L. Plus, the 6 uses a steel timing chain, not a belt, so at another 1/2 inche is saved.

I read that Porche helped develop this engine.
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