Frankly, the one thing I've always liked about camaros is the lack of clutter. A simple car that hauled @ss (most years). I have no use for all the gizmos and gadgets, and I dont need an upscale interior. All that does is drive up the price and allow for more gremlins.

Now, if I wanted all that and a bag of chips, I would probably be looking at a sedan anyway. Possibly a vette, but is its interior all inspiring? No. Its nicer than a camaro, but not this premium stuff that people are expecting out of a much cheaper camaro Hell, I even thought the TAs had a little too much gadgetry and nonsense for my taste. Keep it simple and fast.

And as for all this cheapest parts they could find stuff, the camaro holds in own in all aspects of performance. And, for the interior, I could care less.....well, to a point Sure, it would be nice to have a great interior (some of it DEFINITELY was way too cheap, I will agree....at least get rid of the plastic casting flash for pete's sake!!!), but the better that gets, the higher the price goes. And if it gets high enough, it gets into vette territory, which has an interior too cheap for what some people want in a camaro anyway. I'd rather see the money spent on performance, like it always has been in the Fbod line. If you want better fit and finish with the same power, step up to a vette.

I just dont get it, other than some think they should be getting a $60,000 car for $20,000. When you think about it, the majority of V8 RWD cars available in the US ARE over $40K. The mustang and the camaro were the renegades, and they cut corners where they had to to offer that drivetrain to schmoes like us.

All in all, I think there should be some improvements in quality, no IRS, no extraneous technology/gadgets/gizmoes, and a sticker of $35K. For $35K a nice quality level could be acheived, without putting too much emphasis on it. And, they should offer a base model with the SC 3800 for those younger buyers and those who want to spend less. By the time the next gen rolls around, that motor will be doing more than the LT1.....actually, it already is isnt it The camaro isnt the end all be all for me. Rather it fills niche of something I enjoy. Simple speed that I like to tear apart when time permits.

Oh, and the Z28 badge needs to stay. Thats my opinion, and I'm sticking to it......until I realize I completely failed to make my intended point, as I usually do

If they build it, I will come.

 

No IRS.....no extraneous technology......sticker of $35K ...son, the strategy board will love you!
OK...I'm with you there.

 

Haha. 35K cap......like for a fully loaded SS model, etc. Not base Oh, and while I'm back it at it, there should only be 2 trim levels of the Z28 (outside of special/performance editions): Fully loaded, and STRIPPED!

 

I don't know, I'm sort of for one basic trim level. Like the Z06.

 

Or down to a Civic. The 4th Gen interior design and material choice was really weak. If they can make a decent interior on a $14,000 car, I don't see why it can't be done on a Camaro.

I'm not worried about the interiors though, GM is aware that their interiors are pretty week and have been dedicating lots of resources to improving them.

 

Yeah, I was reading that Lutz made GM buy a Passat or Audi A4 to be placed at every GM interior design studio for reference.

 

A civic has the same power as a Z28

I've been in a civic, and the interior didnt appear to be done with any better materials. It was just carried out better: no painfully obvious flashings on the plastic, no odd change of flow in the lines (eg, stuff actually butted together, rather than apparently forgetting two pieces were going to be next to each other ), not as many odd gaps and they used a fake grain pattern or surface that didnt make it as obvious the material was just plastic.

 

Exactly.

 

Back to the Camaro or M*stang question, it doesn't matter to me. I'm staying with the Third Gen's. I wouldn't mind having a 1st Gen 1 day either, but I do want to see a new Camaro back as fast as possible because it should be here, IMO you guys should just wait.

 

This is a topic that keeps surfacing every so often. If the 5th gen
is done right, I will consider buying one. If it isn't, I will just keep
what I have and continue to buy used. In either case, I won't be
buying a Mustang, not now, not ever. Those cars don't do anything for me. Even a Corvette doesn't. I know that some of you on this board will buy whatever looks good and is
fast. Others think like I do, only a Camaro or Firebird will do.

 

Camaro? Mustang? It's all the same to me. I prefer Mustangs, but do like f-bods a lot as well. I'm a big fan of the 1st and 4th gens, and was in the market for a 6spd Lt-1 before settling with the GT after not finding a decent 6spd in over 3 months.

If one isn't available, i wouldn't have trouble switching to the other. Both have the same basic architect in that both are RWD, 2 door models, v8 powered, and offer some of the best bang for your buck in the world as far as performance and potential. Both cars are compatible, and if you switch badging, the other would have no trouble accepting the other make as their own. You just have to be able to look past the Ford or Chevy thing.

 

I've driven both my kid's Mustangs and test drove the newer style. They're "cute-little" cars, but the cockpit is too small for me to ever consider one for myself. Plus they have that damn "blue-oval" on them.

 

I think someone mentioned a good idea earlier on and didn't realize it. Maybe the 2 door Cavilier replacement should be labeled as a NOVA??? If GM is into bringing back names of accomplisehed cars for heritage reasons then thats a good answer to this subject. Give them a Nova, you know something that competes with the Neon SRT or Mitsu Lancer or hell even the Subaru WRX. Design it with cues that might lead to something bigger like the Camaro and let the kids (Or Adults for that matter)have a taste of GM power and design so that they can learn to appreciate what GM can give like we do. This whole thing would help to introduce new buyers to the market while helping to maintain the current buyers with a well known name.

Just an Idea... $.02???

 

Probably would be a bad idea. Even though the entry-level Chevy being called Nova would be right in line with all the Novas in the past, the old misconceptions of "most" Novas being small block V8 street warriors still prevail.

 

I'd like to see a Nova based off the SSr chassis. Even though they're charging $40K for one.....the platform itself is pretty cheap. Especially if they also build Bel Air/ Nomad off of it.

A basic RWD car, with standard 2.8L 175hp Atlas I4 and optional 220hp I5. Heck, even use the ZQ8 suspension off the Colorado as an upgrade.

I don't know why a base model couldn't start at around $18,000.