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Some thoughts from Red Planet....

Old Jun 13, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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Re: Some thoughts from Red Planet....

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
Answering my own question.

Based on the data I found at Thirdgen.org, the base 1982 Z28 MSRP was $9700. Nicely optioned versions were ~$12,694 ("nicely" in this case also included A/C, which was still an option back then). Adding the CF injected version with automatic made the price ~$13,635.

Anybody have base and moderately-optioned MSRPs for a 2002 Z28? From memory, no option cars were ~$22k and more common examples were ~$25k.

The math then becomes pretty easy to do.
Dear old dad has an '02....

His is pretty well fully loaded ~ ttops, leather, Hurst, etc.... I believe it was in the $27k range and base was $22 or $23k...
Old Jun 13, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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Re: Some thoughts from Red Planet....

I have no issues with the durability of GM paint these days. My only issue with GM paint is why is there so much orange peel? Shouldn't orange peel be optional?
Old Jun 13, 2005 | 12:54 PM
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You don't have to sell me on GM quality... I now have six Chevies at my house.

(We just picked up a used 01 Tahoe LT.)

In case anyone is keeping score:
Three Camaros
Two Tahoes
One Blazer

Nice post RP
Old Jun 13, 2005 | 01:18 PM
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Re: Some thoughts from Red Planet....

STATEMENT: “GM FUEL ECONOMY SUCKS!”

GM has more car and truck segment fuel economy leaders than ANY manufacturer…a list is on www.gm.com

GM builds 19 car models that get 30mpg or better…..VW builds 14, DCX builds 13, TOYOTA with 12 and Ford with 11.

GM 4WD full size Utilities have the highest fuel economy in the industry

GM V8 pickups have the highest combined fuel economy in the industry
This is the only part I don't really agree with, not based on the stats themselves because you can't disagree with facts. But, GM builds 19 car models that get 30 MPG or better compared to what some competitors get...great, but 14 vehicles damn near represents all of VW's line-up. 12 Vehicles getting 30+ MPG for Toyota means a lot more %-wise than 19 does to GM. GM is behind in the passenger vehicle gas milage war. If you're building 100+ different vehicles and only 19 of them get 30+ MPG in a world that considers that average, then you're definately below average.

GM builds more 4wd full size utilities and V8 pickups than any other manufacturer (except for maybe Ford?) which means that that ~1 MPG advantage that GM has over the compition is null when trying to look good for being fuel economy consious.

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Old Jun 13, 2005 | 02:09 PM
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Re: Some thoughts from Red Planet....

Originally Posted by Meccadeth
This is the only part I don't really agree with, not based on the stats themselves because you can't disagree with facts. But, GM builds 19 car models that get 30 MPG or better compared to what some competitors get...great,
I saw a full-page ad by GM, with the 19 cars pictures, in my local paper the other day. My first thoughts while looking at the pictures of the 19 models were that 4 of the models; Cavalier, Grand Am, Sunfire and Century are already out of production. A fifth, the Classic is not only out of production, but was never available to the retail consumer anyway, it was fleet only.

GM makes much better product now than it did, it's interior design is first class thanks to Arsensio and her team, Lutz and Wellburn are turning out well detailed, world class designs, they need to put the new product in front of the public.

I'm rooting for 'em!
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