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Old May 19, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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what happends to all the camaros sitting in the lots waiting to be delivered?
Old May 19, 2009 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jcamere94z28
what happends to all the camaros sitting in the lots waiting to be delivered?
Dealers will sell them.

Hopefully, no one will need warranty work or at least no warranty work that is in any way out of the ordinary.

Assuming Uncle Sam steps in and provides warranty coverage basic and routine things will be covered but I suspect anything that can be "questioned" will probably be turned down as I don't think a consumer will be able to call up a regional representative and get a decision to cover something under warranty that isn't already clear cut.
Old May 19, 2009 | 11:25 AM
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So if GM doesn't reopen does that mean Chevrolet Motor Company might keep making cars
Old May 19, 2009 | 04:56 PM
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It looks like GM will do a quick sale to the government:

http://www.reuters.com/article/merge...43363120090519

General Motors Corp's plan for a bankruptcy filing involves a quick sale of the company's healthy assets to a new company initially owned by the U.S. government, a source familiar with the situation said on Tuesday.

The source, who would not be named because he was not cleared to speak with the media, did not specify a purchase price. The new company is expected to honor the claims of secured lenders, possibly in full, according to the source.
Old May 19, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
So if GM doesn't reopen does that mean Chevrolet Motor Company might keep making cars
Yes. More or less. The current GM will cease to exist. A new company will form that will buy the current GM and end up looking much like it, though without all the debt and with more competitive labor contracts, and also hopefully less internal inertia.

If Charlie were naming it, it would be AM (Alpha Motors).
Old May 19, 2009 | 05:19 PM
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If Charlie were naming it, it would be AM (Alpha Motors).
I think GM (Government Motors) appropriately reflects who's in charge now
Old May 19, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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Well that scenario certainly looks different to my first interpretation of Guy's post!

Probably also explains why I am much happier today than yesterday!
Old May 19, 2009 | 08:16 PM
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All I can say is wow. When I heard that GM was paying suppliers on May 28th instead of June I figured they were headed to bankruptcy, but the picture you paint is much worse than I imagined.
This is the part that I don't understand. GM is moving up their payment to get it in ahead of a bankruptcy filing, but under bankruptcy law, once the filing is done and a trustee is appointed, the trustee has the power to go over the expenditures from the last year (I think, might be less) and any payment that puts the creditor in a better position than it otherwise might have been in a hypothetical liquidation (Ch. 7) filing, has to pay that money back. It's a little more complicated than that and I'm just going off of memory here from my bankruptcy class taken a few years ago, but unless these suppliers were secured creditors, this is not going to help them. So I guess my question is, are these suppliers secured creditors?

-Bob
Old May 19, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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The CAW went along with Chrysler's deal. The UAW and CAW lept at the deal that Ford offered. But they are turning down GM's offers. GM's debtholders (who will wind up with less than Chrysler's) want a bigger share of GM. The UAW who now on paper own half of Chrysler want the same with GM. Meanwhile, the CAW is playing rebellious teenager against society, and bucking GM, the Quebec Government, and the Canadian Federal Government in thumbing their nose at GM's take-it-or-we'll-close-down-GM-Canadian-Operations deal. The CAW has painted themselves into a corner, and there is no way GM's debtholders are going to back an agreement similar to what Chrysler's debtholders agreed to (again, Chrysler debtholders had assets to back them up which GM debtholders do not have). It's going to be a mess.


So far the CAW has agreed to the Chrysler deal which reduces labour costs by $19/hr Cdn but apparently that is no longer good enough *

*(after Fritz Henderson said the last deal in march cutting costs by $8/hr made GM Canada competitive AND WAS HAPPY WITH)

I'm predicting that if the CAW reaches an agreement, bankuptcy protection in Canada is not necessarily needed. Chrysler has not filed in Canada.

I think you meant the Ontario government, not Quebec's.
Old May 22, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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The "rebellious teenager against society" has reached a tentative agreement with GM Canada:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...522?hub=Canada

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Old May 22, 2009 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Route66Wanderer
Hopefully, no one will need warranty work or at least no warranty work that is in any way out of the ordinary.
The bigger question is parts supply. With suppliers already under duress, will be interesting to see warranty work performed without parts availability.
Old May 22, 2009 | 06:47 PM
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The bigger question is parts supply. With suppliers already under duress, will be interesting to see warranty work performed without parts availability.

Parts availability, or maybe better stated a lack thereof, can be construed to trigger Magnuson-Moss warranty provisions.

The phrase which instructs to "correct a non-conformity in a timely manner" comes to mind.

I don't know if the government is on the hook for covering repurchase or not. It could be argued that they are.
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