So..why does GM put their worst NAV unit in the Vette?
Yes, there is a place for NAV on a DD car, but less so on a hard-core sporty car- though, when you get to 6 figures, doubtful about how hard core it still is- I like my Garmin- I can take it in any vehicle, update it via the web- it is a useful tool- if I need more, I have a laptop and a portable GPS- and two different companies base mapping- so what?
I won't even begin to discuss the golden audio- I have replaced the stock speakers in the last three monsoon systems I have owned - usually Infinity speakers, but also Polk and a couple others- I have been an audiophile back to 45 singles, and various vinyl formats- belt drive turntables versus direct drive- tube amplifiers versus solid state- I have a pretty decent ear myself, but I don't drive a 600 hp car to listen to tunes- I might want some background music, but more likely I would be just as happy to hear the tread pattering on the pavement, and the mesh of the gears in the rear differential- you would be amazed how much you can tell about a car just by listening to the cadence of the exhaust pulses- if you really care about being part of the motoring experience- Why else buy an ultimate sports car?
I won't even begin to discuss the golden audio- I have replaced the stock speakers in the last three monsoon systems I have owned - usually Infinity speakers, but also Polk and a couple others- I have been an audiophile back to 45 singles, and various vinyl formats- belt drive turntables versus direct drive- tube amplifiers versus solid state- I have a pretty decent ear myself, but I don't drive a 600 hp car to listen to tunes- I might want some background music, but more likely I would be just as happy to hear the tread pattering on the pavement, and the mesh of the gears in the rear differential- you would be amazed how much you can tell about a car just by listening to the cadence of the exhaust pulses- if you really care about being part of the motoring experience- Why else buy an ultimate sports car?
Yes, there is a place for NAV on a DD car, but less so on a hard-core sporty car- though, when you get to 6 figures, doubtful about how hard core it still is- I like my Garmin- I can take it in any vehicle, update it via the web- it is a useful tool- if I need more, I have a laptop and a portable GPS- and two different companies base mapping- so what?
I won't even begin to discuss the golden audio- I have replaced the stock speakers in the last three monsoon systems I have owned - usually Infinity speakers, but also Polk and a couple others- I have been an audiophile back to 45 singles, and various vinyl formats- belt drive turntables versus direct drive- tube amplifiers versus solid state- I have a pretty decent ear myself, but I don't drive a 600 hp car to listen to tunes- I might want some background music, but more likely I would be just as happy to hear the tread pattering on the pavement, and the mesh of the gears in the rear differential- you would be amazed how much you can tell about a car just by listening to the cadence of the exhaust pulses- if you really care about being part of the motoring experience- Why else buy an ultimate sports car?
I won't even begin to discuss the golden audio- I have replaced the stock speakers in the last three monsoon systems I have owned - usually Infinity speakers, but also Polk and a couple others- I have been an audiophile back to 45 singles, and various vinyl formats- belt drive turntables versus direct drive- tube amplifiers versus solid state- I have a pretty decent ear myself, but I don't drive a 600 hp car to listen to tunes- I might want some background music, but more likely I would be just as happy to hear the tread pattering on the pavement, and the mesh of the gears in the rear differential- you would be amazed how much you can tell about a car just by listening to the cadence of the exhaust pulses- if you really care about being part of the motoring experience- Why else buy an ultimate sports car?
Well, I guess we are all gunna have to suck it up as technology playes a bigger part in our cars.
Ill trade Corvette owner with a Navi/Radio system from their car, with my AM only radio in my 72, or my am/fm/casset set up in my 87.
I enjoy listening to both cars at cruise, but yes it gets old after a while, and I would like to listen to maybe a little Metalica, Disturbed, or hell some Jay Z while Im crusing above the speed limit.
Now, getting back to the actual topic at hand. In a 100K car, hell a 20k car, there are increasingly higher requirements for equipment. But really, the Corvette needs a massive MCE at this point since C7 wont be for some time and thats what this all comes down too.
Its interior was designed by the same people who designed pre-Lutz interiors, and covering it in leather is wrapping a turd. The overall design of teh interior hasnt changed over C5. Hell, look at the Malibu and Equinox, or even Camaro and look how different the design is. Its almost as if it was a different company that makes it!
Malibu has had 3 revisions since the introduction of the C6, from the new SWB Epsilon, to an MCE in 06, to a full revision in 08. Corvette has gotten some minor revisions, mostly under the skin.
Lets face it, GM knows how to make a performance car. Problem is that they are not nearly as great in making interiors. At 50k, leather stictched inteiror should be damn near standard!! Its standard on a 32k CTS. If GM makes it out of this alive, a C7 must leave the blue collar champion image behind and take on the performance sports car image head on. Porsche needs to be the target in everything. To me, it is Corvette's greatest and nearest rival. Its everything Corvette needs to be.
I have never really got to play with a Corvette's navi, but it deff looks like it needs to step up with the rest of GM's navi.
We can go on about GM's failure at nav systems placed in cars, but leave that for another thread.
Ill trade Corvette owner with a Navi/Radio system from their car, with my AM only radio in my 72, or my am/fm/casset set up in my 87.
I enjoy listening to both cars at cruise, but yes it gets old after a while, and I would like to listen to maybe a little Metalica, Disturbed, or hell some Jay Z while Im crusing above the speed limit.
Now, getting back to the actual topic at hand. In a 100K car, hell a 20k car, there are increasingly higher requirements for equipment. But really, the Corvette needs a massive MCE at this point since C7 wont be for some time and thats what this all comes down too.
Its interior was designed by the same people who designed pre-Lutz interiors, and covering it in leather is wrapping a turd. The overall design of teh interior hasnt changed over C5. Hell, look at the Malibu and Equinox, or even Camaro and look how different the design is. Its almost as if it was a different company that makes it!
Malibu has had 3 revisions since the introduction of the C6, from the new SWB Epsilon, to an MCE in 06, to a full revision in 08. Corvette has gotten some minor revisions, mostly under the skin.
Lets face it, GM knows how to make a performance car. Problem is that they are not nearly as great in making interiors. At 50k, leather stictched inteiror should be damn near standard!! Its standard on a 32k CTS. If GM makes it out of this alive, a C7 must leave the blue collar champion image behind and take on the performance sports car image head on. Porsche needs to be the target in everything. To me, it is Corvette's greatest and nearest rival. Its everything Corvette needs to be.
I have never really got to play with a Corvette's navi, but it deff looks like it needs to step up with the rest of GM's navi.
We can go on about GM's failure at nav systems placed in cars, but leave that for another thread.
I think I'm at the point now where EVERY car should have a nav/infotainment system in it.
When I was at the car show a few weeks ago, sitting in different cars, if it didn't have a screen in the middle of the dash, I found myself not liking the interior. Weird.
It's not like I'm a young kid, either.
The interiors just look more modern and more upscale with the LCD in the middle.
I love nav systems and when they add the functionality like the CTS's and the MyGig, that makes them all the better.
When I was at the car show a few weeks ago, sitting in different cars, if it didn't have a screen in the middle of the dash, I found myself not liking the interior. Weird.
It's not like I'm a young kid, either.
The interiors just look more modern and more upscale with the LCD in the middle.
I love nav systems and when they add the functionality like the CTS's and the MyGig, that makes them all the better.

I didn't know that they show what the speed limit is. How accurate are they with construction zones where the speed is temporarily lowered?
I was asked if I wanted something like that for Christmas. I wish I would've said yes now! And I was wishing that the last few times I've gotten lost going somewhere...
This got me thinking... I will be amazed if in 10 years or less LCD "nav" screens aren't standard equipment on almost all cars. There's going to come a breaking point where it just costs too much for a manufacturer to design, supply, and build two different center stacks, one for nav and one without.
In fact I almost wonder if that point has already occurred to an extent but not quite because people are still willing to pay an excessive premium, thus it's a money maker?
It's possible that when these screens become standard all features won't necessarily be included for free... almost like how you pay for different hardware or software when you buy a computer from Dell.
I know that the Lexus GS since the 2006 model year, for example, has had a standard "nav screen" but you get all functions EXCEPT nav itself with the base car... you have to pay the extra grand or whatever to get nav functionality built in which is craziness since you know it couldn't cost them but maybe $50 in hardware at the most to add/enable it.
Interestingly enough the Lexus LS460 that came out two model years later does not have an lcd screen standard on the base model... you only get it if you spring for nav. So for now the 3rd gen GS is the only car I know where you're getting a full size color LCD touch screen no matter what... but I expect more in the future.
In fact I almost wonder if that point has already occurred to an extent but not quite because people are still willing to pay an excessive premium, thus it's a money maker?
It's possible that when these screens become standard all features won't necessarily be included for free... almost like how you pay for different hardware or software when you buy a computer from Dell.
I know that the Lexus GS since the 2006 model year, for example, has had a standard "nav screen" but you get all functions EXCEPT nav itself with the base car... you have to pay the extra grand or whatever to get nav functionality built in which is craziness since you know it couldn't cost them but maybe $50 in hardware at the most to add/enable it.
Interestingly enough the Lexus LS460 that came out two model years later does not have an lcd screen standard on the base model... you only get it if you spring for nav. So for now the 3rd gen GS is the only car I know where you're getting a full size color LCD touch screen no matter what... but I expect more in the future.
Or if you buy a car that didn't have Nav, you could go to the dealership and have them simply upload a different program or since it would work along with OnStar, hit the button and they can send the program directly to your car.
Having the touchscreens standard across the board would mean that software designers could make quick changes to the look and interface of the Infotainment center instead of needing to change the tooling and the design of the dash, etc.
Does anybody know if the Nissan GT-R has navigation that works with that multi display screen that was designed by the folks that did the Gran Turismo games? I REALLY like the ideas behind that customizable gauge setup too.
I hope that one day a single LCD screen like Motec or Magnetti Marelli will be an option... Certainly lighter than guage clusters.
GPS? I'll pass. It's too easy to use a laptop or portable unit... cheaper too.
GPS? I'll pass. It's too easy to use a laptop or portable unit... cheaper too.
Yes, but wher do you put the lap top int he car?
Tough to do when you have your family in the car. Your wife or your kids with a laptop on thier laps will be uncomfortable fast.
I have a TomTom, and its great. but nothing beats the look and neato look of in the dash, intergrated navigation.
I think that more and more cars should just have a large LED screen to display radio and hvac controls. Example, the G8.
Tough to do when you have your family in the car. Your wife or your kids with a laptop on thier laps will be uncomfortable fast.
I have a TomTom, and its great. but nothing beats the look and neato look of in the dash, intergrated navigation.
I think that more and more cars should just have a large LED screen to display radio and hvac controls. Example, the G8.
I would not want a Corvette with a Nav!
Corvettes are classics, and I dont see easily outdated technology like nav being very useful in a car after 5-10 years and the technology changes.
If you think the GM nav system is confusing, try BMW I drive
I could not even do the simplest of functions
Corvettes are classics, and I dont see easily outdated technology like nav being very useful in a car after 5-10 years and the technology changes.
If you think the GM nav system is confusing, try BMW I drive

I could not even do the simplest of functions
I have no idea what the author of the article or any of the complainers are bitching about. I love the nav system in the Corvettes. It is an incredibly easy interface to use and it has never taken me down the wrong path in over 50,000+ miles of driving. Yes, it would be nice to have NavTraffic and a larger screen, but those are small complaints compared to how well it functions. I'm curious, how many of the people comlaining here actually have a significant amount of seat time with one of these systems?
Last edited by irocbsa; Feb 18, 2009 at 02:47 PM.
Even without the traffic info, in the event I come up on congestion, I can just hit "DETOUR" and it recalculates an alternative route.



