I can't really blame Ford or the dealers. However, I can blame the idiots that spend the absurd amounts of money on dumb sh*t like this.

 

Reread what I said.

 

Ok, I did. It is in your opinion, that the SS was considered a luxury model. I bet most of the Camaro community would disagree with that statement.

Everytime I see a picture of a 4th gen on TV or on a calender or something it is almost always an SS, and it is almost always doing something very musclecar-ish like doing a burnout or sitting in a staging lane. Not very luxury car like to me. Leather seats don't make luxury models.

 

Uh oh... I think I like that mustang...

 

It is a pretty sharp looking Mustang, and I don't particularly like the S197s. However, it is not sharp enough to justify it's inevitable price tag, or it's obese curb weight.

 

The GT500 is pretty heavy at 3900lbs, but even at that weight doesn't it still out handle and out accelerate every pony car ever made?

 

Outhandle? I dunno. However, I guarantee that with every corner you take in a car that heavy, you are going to feel it. Sporting luxury cars, Mercedes in particular because that is what I have experience with, have a pretty nice supsension setup, good rubber, great brakes, the whole recipe for good handling. However, you can still feel their weight in every transition from left to right, front to back, and it sucks.

I would imagine that someone getting pretty serious with aftermarket suspension mods is going to get frustrated with the weight of this thing pretty quickly.

 

I said they were considered luxury models based on them being packed with options.


Once again, I said that I considered them luxury models based most of them getting ordered fully loaded. I doubt anyone in the Camaro community would disagree with my comment that more SS cars were ordered fully loaded than Z28 car.
BTW, these features don't keep a car from doing burnouts. And yes leather seats are a luxury option (if you disagree, what other interior fabric is more luxurious?).

 

Nope. There were a number of limited production racecar based Mustangs in the last 10 years.

 

I didn't say they weren't a luxury option. I said they don't make a luxury car. A luxury car can do a burnout just fine (well, maybe not today's luxury cars), but my point was in the muscle car community, try to convience anyone that an SS was a luxury car. I didn't see any Mercedes doing massive smokey burnouts on any Mercedes calenders I have looked at.


My z28 comes with every option you can get. I can't think of a single interior option that an SS comes with (besides little logos or whatever) that my z28 comes with. I have never heard anyone say my car is luxurious, leather seats or not.

 

The only thing I can think of since 1997 is the 2000 Cobra R. That thing was pretty damn heavy itself. 3600lbs stripped if I recall and it was stll running the old 78 Fairmont chassis. I'd be damn surprised if that could beat a GT500 around a track stock for stock.

 

Once again, I never said luxury car, I said they were the luxury model.
And you should take a look at the Mercedes website. AMG and normal Benzes make tons of power. At the NY autoshow they should be debuting the CL65 twinturbo v12.

edit: I hope you are not reading my messages as trying to insult you. I am not. It is just my opinion that the late model SS cars were luxurious when compaired to the z28.

 

You don't think the 2000 Cobra Rs could take them? I was thinking they would, but I may be wrong.
We probably won't know for a very long time seeing as how most of those cars are still wrapped in factory plastic with 5 miles on the OD. Selling as collectors' cars.
The 1995 Cobra Rs also were pretty good on the track.

 

It is no the power of the car that I was referencing. I know about the AMG cars pretty well. You still don't see them doing muscle car related things. The SS, being the percieved top dog Camaro, is going to use it's muscle carness as a selling point. It isn't hard for me to find a picture online of a Camaro SS doing a juveline, testosterone induced thing that would never normal be conveived of in a real luxury vehicle.


Yeah, I suppose they are more luxurious. The ride is a bit more jarring in an SS though.

 

What would make an SS Camaro more "luxurious" than a regular Z28? Specifically, please.