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Old Apr 25, 2003 | 04:56 PM
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I see the SRT-4 targeting the riced out civic people more than the Evo and WRX, but.... people looking for a fast econobox will no doubt be looking at the Evo, SRT-4, and WRX.

As far as the handling argument goes, how many people that buy one of these 3 cars need something that can pull .90+ g's? It's not like the SRT-4 corners like a Ford Aerostar (which is the most top heavy thing I have ever drove) Unless you are driving on a road corse the SRT-4 will handle fine. Plus most of the racing people do it stoplight to stoplight in a strait line.

I think my 99 Grand Pix handles great, not as good as my SS, but it is just enough for the type of driving that I do. I, just like most people, don't push my car to the limits as far as cornering goes (unless I'm ripping donuts )

What I don't like about the Lancer Evo 8 is that they took the Sh!ttiest car they make, and put it with the best powertrain and suspension they make. Why couldn't they have put all that stuff in the eclipes????????

271HP AWD Eclipes for $30,000 would have been a lot nicer even you slt must agree with me on that.
Old Apr 25, 2003 | 06:47 PM
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Old Apr 25, 2003 | 09:31 PM
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I just read that EVO is already running 19lbs of boost, stock. What else can you do to these things to eeek out more hp w/out having some major durability issues?
Old Apr 26, 2003 | 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by guionM
Actually.... it a Neon with a Mitsubishi turbocharged engine.
I'm reasonably sure that the turbo 4 in the SRT-4 is a Dodge engine, in fact, I remember reading that it's the only 4 cylinder that Mitsu/Chrysler is making currently that's still made by Dodge, and after a few years it will be phased out for exactly that reason.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/24.html

Anywho, cool car slt. As others have said, I'd prefer the WRX, but a fast car is a fast car.

Edit: I noticed you posted the same link as I did...I didn't see where on there you got that it's a Mitsubishi engine?

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Old Apr 26, 2003 | 04:58 PM
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Who wants to guess what guionM next car will be?
So far, GTO or El Camino.

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Old Apr 26, 2003 | 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by MunchE
I'm reasonably sure that the turbo 4 in the SRT-4 is a Dodge engine, in fact, I remember reading that it's the only 4 cylinder that Mitsu/Chrysler is making currently that's still made by Dodge, and after a few years it will be phased out for exactly that reason.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/24.html

Anywho, cool car slt. As others have said, I'd prefer the WRX, but a fast car is a fast car.

Edit: I noticed you posted the same link as I did...I didn't see where on there you got that it's a Mitsubishi engine?
I was wrong on that....kind of.

It's a revised Chrysler engine, but it was done in Mexico, not Japan, and is also used by Mitsubishi.

Damiler/Chrysler & Mitsubishi are still working on a new 4 cylinder engine. The turbocharger system is from Mitsubishi, and is pretty much the same as the Lancer's. Also, aparently, there will be plenty that can be done that will gain even more horsepower from the SRT-4.

So, to correct myself, the 2.4 engine isn't a "Mitsubishi engine", it's a "reengineered Chrysler engine" that's also used in Mitsubishis.

Either way, you will still find this engine in Mitsubishi, and the Turbocharger is from Mitsubishi.

Guess that makes it a techicality.

BTW: Here's the Lancer Evolution8 site :
http://mitsubishicars.com/MMSA/jsp/evo/features.jsp

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Old Apr 27, 2003 | 11:39 AM
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OK 2 things I have to add...

1) The CTSv will come in at $52k...I confirmed this at the NY International Auto Show on Friday with a Caddy rep...car is gorgeous, but 20k over an exisiting CTS? Oh well, GM screwed up again...

2) I'd love to ask slt why in the world he ordered an EVO with the wing and claims he'll take it off when THE WING IS A $600 OPTION!!!!! I'd wave the BS flag here, but I'll wait and see what he has to say BTW, I confirmed this fact looking at a window sticker on an EVO at the same show...
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Jason E
OK 2 things I have to add...

1) The CTSv will come in at $52k...I confirmed this at the NY International Auto Show on Friday with a Caddy rep...car is gorgeous, but 20k over an exisiting CTS? Oh well, GM screwed up again...


PRICES HAVE NOT YET BEEN SET FOR THE CTSv!!! I was at the NY auto show this weekend and asked the Caddy rep and she said "prices are not yet set" .

She also didn't know any thing about the Escalade V-series V12
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 01:09 PM
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Hey, wave BS flags all you want my friend...she said prices, and I quote, "will be right around $52k, but EXACT pricing is not firm yet." I take that to mean around $52k, which is why I said what I did. What, you think its gonna be something drastically different??

Wave it all you want man, but maybe the Caddy rep I talked to was a little more loose tounged than yours. Just like the 2 different Pontiac reps I talked to...one said the GP would never go RWD along with the MC and Impala, while the other said she would not be surprised to see the GP get rear drive AND a stick, with a sly grin on her face! Depends on who you talk to it seems!

Don't act like I'm here wasting my time...I've got better things to do than spread rumors
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by slt
The SRT is another dodge POS. A powerful engine shoehorned in a ****ty car (aka viper).
Man, that's a funny comment from someone who just bought a Mitsubishi. You do realize how bad their quality has been over the last 20 years, right? Maybe they've cleaned up their act with the continuing influence of DCX, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Jason E
Hey, wave BS flags all you want my friend...she said prices, and I quote, "will be right around $52k, but EXACT pricing is not firm yet." I take that to mean around $52k, which is why I said what I did. What, you think its gonna be something drastically different??
That is a very believable number, and sadly, would be the death of the CTSv. There are lots of desirable cars for $50K+, and a CTSv looks like horrible value when you can save $5-grand by getting an Audi S4, or add $7,000 more to get a S6 Avant.

I thought a $36K CTSv was too good to be true.
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 04:09 PM
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Well, in all honesty, I knew 30s was too good to be true...I was thinking 40-41k...when she said 52k, my mouth dropped. She probably figured I was nothing more than a kid who didn't know what the value of the car was I was looking at...but that car is no value.

So we have a 41k Corvette
A 32-35k GTO
A 52k CTSv

Oh yeah, GM sure is in overdrive...at least with their pricing...
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by Jason E
Well, in all honesty, I knew 30s was too good to be true...I was thinking 40-41k...when she said 52k, my mouth dropped. She probably figured I was nothing more than a kid who didn't know what the value of the car was I was looking at...but that car is no value.

So we have a 41k Corvette
A 32-35k GTO
A 52k CTSv

Oh yeah, GM sure is in overdrive...at least with their pricing...
A $41,000 Corvette?! Where, where! Show me!! ( I know, you meant $51,000 )

GTO's pricing is $2-3000 more than a GTP, and running right where WS6, live axled, 20 year old chassied, early 90s quality Trans Ams were, so complaints about it's price is nothing more than whining. If Pontiac (not the dealers) price it over $35,000, then I'll join you. Till then, GTO's price is right where it should be.

CTSv's $52,000 pricetag is astronomical!!!!
The best way to keep it in perspective is that the typical Lincoln LS V8 is $48,000!

Not much of a consolation, but it helps.
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 10:48 PM
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A $41,000 Corvette?! Where, where! Show me!! ( I know, you meant $51,000 )

Vette pricing starts at around $44k.
Old Apr 27, 2003 | 10:51 PM
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I'm not saying this car is a corvette killer, I'm comparing the two more for dramatic effect. In all reality, stock vs stock, the Corvette would win more times than it would loose, BUT it would be a damn close race and Evo would definatley win in the hadling department, all for $15,000 less. The EVO beats the corvette at it's own game when it comes to affordable performance.

Comparing the "hadling"...not sure, but comparing the handling?Step away from the bong....

Congrats on your excitement over your new purchase.



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