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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 99SilverSS
Why couldn't they just finish the remainder of G8 sedans that will now be in Holden showrooms and put them in Chevy/Buick or whatever dealer that wants them here until they are gone??
Let them keep their Pontiac badges and use it as a way to let Pontiac buyers and owners know that GM dealers no matter the brand can service your Pontiac.
This (and yes, its an emotionally clouded illogical response ) +1000
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 99SilverSS
Why couldn't they just finish the remainder of G8 sedans that will now be in Holden showrooms and put them in Chevy/Buick or whatever dealer that wants them here until they are gone??
Let them keep their Pontiac badges and use it as a way to let Pontiac buyers and owners know that GM dealers no matter the brand can service your Pontiac.
Perhaps because of shipping/tariff costs and also because there are still Pontiac dealers trying to sell cars out there. They would (rightfully so) scream bloody murder if "their" car was taken from them and placed in the big-box Chevy dealer's showroom right down the street, with Pontiac's badges on it no less.
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 02:00 PM
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that's what i was thinking... you G8 owners better not get into too many accidents. lol
they can just do this:
http://www.jhp.com.au/g8partsdirect/Bodykit.htm


Old Aug 19, 2009 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
Perhaps because of shipping/tariff costs and also because there are still Pontiac dealers trying to sell cars out there. They would (rightfully so) scream bloody murder if "their" car was taken from them and placed in the big-box Chevy dealer's showroom right down the street, with Pontiac's badges on it no less.
Well that's what I was trying to say is let any GM dealer including the remaining Pontiac franchises keep selling G8's as long as they can. Why should Holden dealers get to sell them. And if there are more around after all the Pontiac dealers are gone or converted then let any GM dealer bid for and sell them.
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 03:56 PM
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Rotten freaking bastards!

Are they done sticking pins into me now?
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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That is what I would do if I had the cash. I like the Holden look a lot more than the Pontiac front end.
Old Aug 19, 2009 | 05:39 PM
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So if true, Pontiac survives in Austrialia as badge engineering rebrand of Holden Commodore and Ute, where Im guessing Holden brand holds alot more water. Sounds like a waste to me. Is there a point to that?

I mean as a NA brand where Holden isnt it made sense but isnt this against the same logic (Which I still agree with) that kept the Firebird from being produced. What do you really gain? I thought money was tight...

Could this be a Political work around keeping Pontiac in Australia, allowing it to go global bringing it back? In other words appearing to shed brands for Govt help, bringing it home, or importing it later. Just a thought, not an arguement....

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Old Aug 19, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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So if an Chevrolet Malibu is sold in Australia without Chevrolet badges as a Holden, then it's not an Malibu, and if GM decides to stick a Buick badge on a Corvette and sell it, it's not a Chevrolet Corvette?
Is XLR a Corvette? Is a Firebird a Camaro? Is a TrailBlazer an Envoy? Come on, platform mates and body twins go back a long way. Those in the know are fine with acknowledging the relationship and the commonalities, but go find a Trans Am owner and tell him how nice his Camaro is, and see what kind of reaction you get.

Originally Posted by guionM
And even though these G8s are designed, engineered, and manufactured in Australis, and in the doorjams of G8s and on the window sticker they say the car was manufactured in Australia, these Pontiacs aren't Australian.
I'm not saying they're not Australian. I'm saying that when you take an Australian car, rebadge it as a Pontiac, and then build it without the Pontiac badges, it isn't a Pontiac at all.

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(*snide remark on what I should have had you look up deleted)


Originally Posted by 99SilverSS
Why couldn't they just finish the remainder of G8 sedans that will now be in Holden showrooms and put them in Chevy/Buick or whatever dealer that wants them here until they are gone??
Let them keep their Pontiac badges and use it as a way to let Pontiac buyers and owners know that GM dealers no matter the brand can service your Pontiac.
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
there are still Pontiac dealers trying to sell cars out there.
So put them in the Pontiac dealerships! I think some leftover G8s would help get traffic in the doors at the remaining Pontiac dealers before closing time rolls around.

The tariff thing might still be an issue, as could any number of other logistical problems. Seems to me that before Pontiac shuts down, they should do their best to sell every last Pontiac ever made.

Then again, I guess they should try to do that in the most profitable way possible. Selling the cars where they're built seems a lot more profitable than shipping them around the world and then selling them there.
Old Aug 20, 2009 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM
Well, Well, Well.....

Pontiacs are now Australian.

Holden is now effectively a 2 division company.

Meanwhile, no G8s or derivitives sold here, and GM-NA shrank.

Can anyone look up the definition of "Irony" for me?
Here is a more appropriate "I" word...

id·i·o·cy
n. pl. id·i·o·cies

1. Extreme folly or stupidity.
2. A foolish or stupid utterance or deed.
3. Psychology: The state or condition of being an idiot; profound mental retardation.
Old Aug 21, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
Here is a more appropriate "I" word...

id·i·o·cy
n. pl. id·i·o·cies

1. Extreme folly or stupidity.
2. A foolish or stupid utterance or deed.
3. Psychology: The state or condition of being an idiot; profound mental retardation.
Old Aug 23, 2009 | 11:08 AM
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I don't understand, why not build the remaining G8s and send them over here to be sold? Seems simply enough and they will sell. Or does this have something to do with the coming out of bankruptcy that GM can't build anymore cars from the discontinued brands?
Old Aug 23, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by guionM
Yep. Missed that part.

So if an Chevrolet Malibu is sold in Australia without Chevrolet badges as a Holden, then it's not an Malibu, and if GM decides to stick a Buick badge on a Corvette and sell it, it's not a Chevrolet Corvette?

And even though these G8s are designed, engineered, and manufactured in Australis, and in the doorjams of G8s and on the window sticker they say the car was manufactured in Australia, these Pontiacs aren't Australian.

OK. Got ya.

Actually I missed that part too. On that note, I would argue that the G8s were Holdens to begin with. The only thing that made them ponitacs were the badges(and the grill) and now thats removed.

Seeing as I missed that important part also makes me change my mind of the idea. This isnt similar to the Firebird issue. Making a Camaro a Firebird would require money to sell a competing car in the same market. The G8 Sheet metal has already been done to bring it to NA. Might as well get some mileage out of the Pontiacs sheet metal as an appearance option in Austrailia. Putting the money into doing this to come up from scratch would make no sense whatsoever but doing it now at least gets something out of it and thats where I was wrong...
Old Aug 24, 2009 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 30thZ286speed
I don't understand, why not build the remaining G8s and send them over here to be sold? Seems simply enough and they will sell. Or does this have something to do with the coming out of bankruptcy that GM can't build anymore cars from the discontinued brands?
Doesn't seem that complicated to me. GM has to put a fat rebate on the G8 to sell it here, and they must be losing money on the deal.

Meanwhile, in Australia, people will pay a premium for a "special edition" Commodore.
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