I think a few people here need to learn a thing or two about Roush.

Roush performance and engineering may have public ties to Ford but they have done as much work for GM and other car companies throught he years.

You right now may have a GM car in the garage that Roush engineering did work on for GM. You may have watched as the AJ Foyt owned Kenny Brack driven Olds V8 won the Indy 500. Yes Jack's company built most of them for the GM teams.

The Pontiac Solstice prototype and the GXP G6 Show cars again have work done by Roush on them.

GMMG, SLP, and some of the other tuners have made some great cars but there technical back ground and resouces pail compared to Roush.

We only see the race teams but few see the other divisions he has. It is a large corperation and not just some tuner/race.

His race teams may fly to the track in couple 727 planes but they were not paid for with race money.

Roush is stronger bigger and more diverse than GMMG, SLP, Saleen, Lingenfelter, Callaway, Mclaren [USA] and many other tuners out there combind.

His company can and will offer parts of top OE quality and tuner vehicles that are of MFG standards or better.

Jacks work and companies have been good enough for GM and many other auto MFG through the years they should be good enough for us.

Check out his companies and all the differnt kinds of work they do and you may be in for a suprise. He has a lot to offer and really is not different than ASC and other large GM contractor.

I have seen the many GM programs he has had a hand in. If he choses to do a Camaro it will be one of if not the best offered.

I just hope he offers Chevy crate motors like he has for Ford.

 

I never said that. I said they better not use Roush or Saleen. GMMG is much preferred.

 

Car modding operations. ASC filed for Chapter 11 and SLP Engineering (not parts) went out of business a year or so after the Fbods went on hiatus.


http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=518942

 

Hate to break the news to ya, but as good as GMMG is, Saleen makes them look like a high school auto shop class by comparison.

Sure, Saleen is famous for the Fords they made, and there's alot of people who can't think beyond that (ironically, as they drive their GM vehicle that might very well have Saleen parts in it). But Saleen is top drawer, and anyone who isn't the least bit impressed with Saleen turning their attention to Camaros surely isn't quite up to snuff on the aftermarket.

While GMMG makes some good Camaros, Saleen goes far and beyond being a creator of special Mustangs. They not only go far beyond GMMG by actually developing & engineering OEM parts for all 3 automakers, but they have their own advanced engineering department (in addition to the Saleen S7 and assorted factory Mustangs & trucks, the entire chassis and hardware of the Ford GT was created essentially by Saleen working with SVT) and vehicle production facility.

The best way to drive home the significance of think of having the option of having your Camaro tweaked by the local Automotive school by a group whose experience and bredth is pretty much limited to a few local cars, or take your Camaro to the same people who developed vehicles SRTs, SVTs, various GM performance cars, have produced their own exotic car that's of equal or better quality and higher capabilities than most all others, who has the latest or advanced tecnology, and years of experience and a reputation for making top drawer race parts and has a well funded race program in order to develop & test new parts.



But don't just take my word for it:

GMMG's website: http://www.gmmginc.net/

And Saleens: http://www.saleen.com/


Saleen involvement in GM, and especially Camaro has no downside.

 

ROUSH already builds a lot of crate motors that are sold by other vendors.

Folks, the company makes nice parts, and builds nice cars (even if those cars are a bit rich for my blood). There's a high level of engineering and craftsmanship that go into everything the company does. The Camaro community could do much worse than having Jack and the boys on the scene.

 

If they make a Camaro with the performance and cost of a S281 Mustang, I will have to print up some anti-Bob Lutz/Steve Saleen t-shirts.

This reminds me. Steve drove a girl from MTV in the Saleen some time ago and she was pretty excited. She then got a ride in the Chrysler ME fourtwelve and was extatic. He looked at the ground and looked really embarrased and depressed. A few months later we got wind of the twin turbo Saleen.

 

Its a business decision called... "not putting all your eggs in the one basket". Roush is hedging his bets on his business surviving the current lean times at Ford... in an official capacity, of course!

Just my humble thoughts.

 

If my livelihood depended on Ford surviving, based on some of the seemingly self destructive decisions Ford's made the past couple of years, I'd be heavily investing time developing parts for GM cars too.

 

They have a great set of 200cc iron heads for SBF windsor motors that are around a grand and run great!!

 

Well I don't expect Ford to vanish but there is a good chance someone other than the Ford Family owning them in the future.

They do have quite billion in loans I don't see getting repaid when they are due in the next few years.

You also don't think NASCAR let Toyota in because they wanted them. They also knew there was a good chance Chrysler or Ford could leave if things don't improve.

Watch as they wil try to get Honda in the mix next.

 

There are people all around the country that make great heads....I am not questioning that....What I'm referring to is the cars you buy at the dealer. These aren't value cars by a furlong. Even those ****ty Mustang Shelby GT cars 13.7s at $40k a pop...I know Shelby's company can build great parts, but they, along with Roush and Saleen make overpriced cars that are slow. If Joe Shmo walks into the dealer, and sees a showroom Saleen Camaro for $45k, he isn't going to say "those Saleens are too rich for my blood" he's doing to say "those Camaros are too rich for my blood."

 

They didn't try to get Toyota, and they won't try to get Honda...Because of the current industry situation, they just won't put as much effort into keeping them away.

 

This thread is a fine example of the narrow-mindedness of quite a few on this site. Coincidently, it makes it abundantly clear who works in the industry and who doesn't.

I would be willing to wager they have more engineers working just in Roush Engineering than GMMG, Lingenfelter, SLP (before the layoff) combined. This doesn't even incluse Roush Performance Parts or RFR. As stated above, they did a lot of work on Kappa, and they have their fingerprints on many others.

Roush (and even Saleen) cars do cost more than doing the work yourself, but they INCREASE resale values (try that after slapping on a blower yourself) and they give you a warranty. A lot of people respect this, and chances are most of you will at some point in your lives.

 

It is a bad move.
It demeans the stock vehicle which is something that isn't desired for a 1st year car.
It will cost too much.
It won't be that much faster.
And will degrade an image GM has worked hard to appeal through this car.

 

Explain how it demeans the stock vehicle. It will more than likely be an aftermarket addition to the base V8 program. It will increase the sales of Camaro because there will not be a vehicle comparably equipped from GM.

Have you even seen a portion of the program plans for the Camaro?

Have you seen the pricing of the Camaro from either GM or Roush?

You obviously have something against Roush. I don't why, but I don't really care to know either. All of your comments are subjective and have no data to back it up.

One thing to consider...what if GM couldn't make a business case for certain iterations (won't say which) of Camaro without the assistance of Roush?