Automotive News / Industry / Future Vehicle Discussion Automotive news and discussion about upcoming vehicles

Question to Engineering types: Is this a RWD chassis??

Old Jun 7, 2003 | 11:31 AM
  #1  
guionM's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,713
From: The Golden State
Question to Engineering types: Is this a RWD chassis??

This doesn't look like a W-chassis or a Sigma, it's too big to be an Espilon, and it's not a Truck:

http://wieck.com/public/*2PV_052074

What is it? Anyone??
Old Jun 7, 2003 | 11:39 AM
  #2  
HAZ-Matt's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,000
From: TX Med Ctr
Re: Question to Engineering types: Is this a RWD chassis??

Originally posted by guionM
This doesn't look like a W-chassis or a Sigma, it's too big to be an Espilon, and it's not a Truck:

http://wieck.com/public/*2PV_052074

What is it? Anyone??
I'm not an engineering type exactly, but it looks like it might have a tunnel for a transmision and driveshaft heading the the rear.
Old Jun 7, 2003 | 12:53 PM
  #3  
cmc's Avatar
cmc
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 681
From: Houston, TX USA
Looks like an exhaust tunnel. You can also see how little space there is between the spare tire notch in the trunk and the backseat floorpan for a drive axle. Additionally, there is no place to mount a transmission crossmember, and if you look at the spacing up front, it appears to be a FWD engine cradle.

Other "did you know" points:
- The display behind him reads "A new offering in the industry's largest segment" "The new Malibu will hold ..."
- There is a blue Malibu off to the left in the background.
- Going by a different picture, the chassis off in the background on the right is also a Malibu.

So it is my guess that the chassis on the rotisserie is also... a Malibu.
Old Jun 7, 2003 | 03:20 PM
  #4  
guionM's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,713
From: The Golden State
You must have better resolution on your computer than I do, I can't see any of those background things.
Old Jun 7, 2003 | 05:02 PM
  #5  
ced8's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 576
From: Houston, TX
I can only make out the Malibu on the left in the background..that's if...
Old Jun 7, 2003 | 07:24 PM
  #6  
cmc's Avatar
cmc
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 681
From: Houston, TX USA
http://www.machined.net/~chris/malibu_chassis/
Old Jun 8, 2003 | 12:02 AM
  #7  
Z284ever's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 16,176
From: Chicagoland IL
So I guess it's an Epsilon.
Old Jun 8, 2003 | 08:46 PM
  #8  
Eric Bryant's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,400
From: Michigan's left coast
Looks FWD or AWD to me. There's no clearance in the tunnel for a transmission. Also note the mounting point for struts, where as I'd expect GM to do something with an SLA setup for a RWD platform.
Old Jun 9, 2003 | 07:33 AM
  #9  
formula79's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 3,698
From: USA
Those look like some strong frame rails...
Old Jun 9, 2003 | 09:29 AM
  #10  
Chris 96 WS6's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 2,801
From: Nashville, TN
I am impressed that they've figured out a way to package true frame rails in an unibody structure...built in SFCs!
Old Jun 9, 2003 | 11:52 AM
  #11  
Eric Bryant's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,400
From: Michigan's left coast
GM was doing that type of massive hydroformed rail in a unibody back in the 1st-gen Aurora. In this particular case, I wouldn't be surprised if they're used in anticipation of a drop-top model.
Old Jun 9, 2003 | 01:01 PM
  #12  
Chris 96 WS6's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 2,801
From: Nashville, TN
Well, those don't look too massive to me first of all, and I thought C5 was the first to use hydroformed rails?

Not trying to be nit-picky, just trying to clarify.
Old Jun 9, 2003 | 01:12 PM
  #13  
formula79's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 3,698
From: USA
Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
Well, those don't look too massive to me first of all, and I thought C5 was the first to use hydroformed rails?

Not trying to be nit-picky, just trying to clarify.
Isn't there a difference? I thought the C5 was technically body on frame with the hydroformed frame rales...much like teh Trailblazer and Canyon?

Wouldn't that make these cars technically the same?
Old Jun 9, 2003 | 01:40 PM
  #14  
guionM's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,713
From: The Golden State
If cmc, Z284ever, and Eric are right, then those frame rails are probally needed for the drop top Grand Am replacement.
Old Jun 9, 2003 | 01:45 PM
  #15  
Chris 96 WS6's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 1999
Posts: 2,801
From: Nashville, TN
Originally posted by formula79
Isn't there a difference? I thought the C5 was technically body on frame with the hydroformed frame rales...much like teh Trailblazer and Canyon?

Wouldn't that make these cars technically the same?
Yeah, that is a big diff in how the cars are made, but hydroformed rails are hydroformed rails, regardless of the application they are used in. I just remember what a big deal it was (a lot is said about it in All Corvettes Are Red) that the C5 was the first production use of hydroformed rails. If the Aurora got smaller versions for use in a unibody chassis, then we have to revise Corvette history a little bit to say "first use of hydroformed rails in a body on chassis design".

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:41 PM.