Official GM: 08 CTS release sneek peek
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I was a little worried that the design might be dumbed down too much, but from what I have seen here, all is well. I think this front end looks great. It is aggressive and looks very upscale and I think it will do great. I can't wait to see the whole car and other future Cadillacs. After all, they are still have my favorite design language of any automotive line.
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I was a little worried that the design might be dumbed down too much, but from what I have seen here, all is well. I think this front end looks great. It is aggressive and looks very upscale and I think it will do great. I can't wait to see the whole car and other future Cadillacs. After all, they are still have my favorite design language of any automotive line.
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Interestingly enough, I was just reading in Car and Driver that the 6-speed version of the BMW M5 cannot have its traction control completely disabled because they can't tame the wheel hop and are afraid of breaking driveline bits. So at least GM isn't the only one struggling with this issue.
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Its very "Bling", which is in right now, and apparently for the time being...
What I dont really like is the way the lines on the face taper to a "V" in the same way they do on the "chevy face" and a million other things. We'll see..
What I dont really like is the way the lines on the face taper to a "V" in the same way they do on the "chevy face" and a million other things. We'll see..
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Interestingly enough, I was just reading in Car and Driver that the 6-speed version of the BMW M5 cannot have its traction control completely disabled because they can't tame the wheel hop and are afraid of breaking driveline bits. So at least GM isn't the only one struggling with this issue.
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GM used a few BMR suspension bits to tame the wheel hop and strengthen the rear of the GTO LS7 showcar . BMR has suspension parts to cure wheel hop for the current CTSv . Not that GM engineers arent up to the task on their own , maybe they learned a little from using the BMR stuff on the GTO . With the embarrassing performance ...not only with wheel hop , but with noises , the feeling a spooled rear would create going around tight corners , bushings replaced multiple times under warranty ect ect I would think the IRS in the new car would be heavily scrutinized and perfected before released ....especially if the new rear is gonna have to motivate over 550 hp . I would hope anyways .
The one thing to keep in mind with the CTSv example though, is that aftermarket manufacturers don't face the same compromises that OEMs do. GM has to balance cost, ride, handling, noise, durability, etc. Whereas an aftermarket company like BMR can focus much more directly on performance and accept compromises in other areas.
No doubt GM knew about the wheel hop and worked hard on it for the current CTS, and I hope they can do better on the next generation. But as the M5 example shows, there is not always a silver bullet, and BMW has some of the best suspension engineers on the planet.
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It's tough to use the GTO example because it's an entirely different, and much simpler, rear suspension layout (semi-trailing arms).
The one thing to keep in mind with the CTSv example though, is that aftermarket manufacturers don't face the same compromises that OEMs do. GM has to balance cost, ride, handling, noise, durability, etc. Whereas an aftermarket company like BMR can focus much more directly on performance and accept compromises in other areas.
No doubt GM knew about the wheel hop and worked hard on it for the current CTS, and I hope they can do better on the next generation. But as the M5 example shows, there is not always a silver bullet, and BMW has some of the best suspension engineers on the planet.
The one thing to keep in mind with the CTSv example though, is that aftermarket manufacturers don't face the same compromises that OEMs do. GM has to balance cost, ride, handling, noise, durability, etc. Whereas an aftermarket company like BMR can focus much more directly on performance and accept compromises in other areas.
No doubt GM knew about the wheel hop and worked hard on it for the current CTS, and I hope they can do better on the next generation. But as the M5 example shows, there is not always a silver bullet, and BMW has some of the best suspension engineers on the planet.
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This CTS wheelhop issue hits close to home for me. I've spent considerable time talking to the guys who worked Sigma looking for answers. There are a number of band-aides that could/can be used to mitigate (but not eliminate) wheelhop on the current CTS. All of them affect ride harshness or add noise though.
There will be a number of changes, including, I believe, control arm geometry changes in the '08 CTS to address this issue. Hope they nail it.
There will be a number of changes, including, I believe, control arm geometry changes in the '08 CTS to address this issue. Hope they nail it.
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