now 2009?? god talk about being late to the party..
08-23-2002, 08:29 PM
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now 2009?? god talk about being late to the party..
thats the end of the decade what will be trendy then?? right now the world of hipo cars is comming back..no more SUV craze...the sport sedan is back the sports car is comming back the pony car is there (MUSTANG) GM if your going to wait till 2009 to make a new ponycar?? I think no one will wait..you got to hit them now..Im not going to wait..and I like what japan has for cars comming here...hey I dont hate good fast cars 
your telling me you dont like the Skyline??
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08-24-2002, 01:08 AM
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Ya seriously, what is the deal with it taking so long. Red Planet??? Anyone??? Where have you been???
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08-24-2002, 09:57 AM
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Know what they should do...as Ford did in 97-98 for the F-150 is overlap production of cars..take the Monte Carlo..for the next 2 years have a FWD Monte and have it FWD and such but work on the RWD Monte and when its ready say in 2 years from now..make it the top of the line Monte Carlo SS..RWD LS1 stuff like that..but have the base family oriented FWD car..well it would be better than waiting 4 5 6 years... 
just overlap your cars..give them similar front ends or something and tail lights..and there ya go..just a thought..Ford did it with the #1 selling truck on the planet why cant GM with some of its best selling cars..
just overlap your cars..give them similar front ends or something and tail lights..and there ya go..just a thought..Ford did it with the #1 selling truck on the planet why cant GM with some of its best selling cars..
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Once again let me reinterate, 2008 was the conservative guesstimate given to me. 2008 as the 2008 MODEL year, not calender year. By conservative, that means the longest time it it's expected to take. The shortest possible time according to redplanet is 2006. We'll be in the 2004 model year in about 3 months! That means between 2 & 4 years, which clicks with the fact that GM began working on Camaro styling last fall after Bob Lutz got there.
Based on that, if Camaro comes back in 2009, it would mean GM has bigger problems than just the lack of a Camaro.
Based on that, if Camaro comes back in 2009, it would mean GM has bigger problems than just the lack of a Camaro.
08-25-2002, 04:24 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
Once again let me reinterate, 2008 was the conservative guesstimate given to me. 2008 as the 2008 MODEL year, not calender year. By conservative, that means the longest time it it's expected to take. The shortest possible time according to redplanet is 2006. We'll be in the 2004 model year in about 3 months! That means between 2 & 4 years, which clicks with the fact that GM began working on Camaro styling last fall after Bob Lutz got there.
Based on that, if Camaro comes back in 2009, it would mean GM has bigger problems than just the lack of a Camaro. </font>
Once again let me reinterate, 2008 was the conservative guesstimate given to me. 2008 as the 2008 MODEL year, not calender year. By conservative, that means the longest time it it's expected to take. The shortest possible time according to redplanet is 2006. We'll be in the 2004 model year in about 3 months! That means between 2 & 4 years, which clicks with the fact that GM began working on Camaro styling last fall after Bob Lutz got there.
Based on that, if Camaro comes back in 2009, it would mean GM has bigger problems than just the lack of a Camaro. </font>
08-27-2002, 08:29 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 99SilverSS:
Where is this info comming from? Who said 2006 or 2009 or any year for that matter?</font>
Where is this info comming from? Who said 2006 or 2009 or any year for that matter?</font>
I was doing some personal research on a RWD Grand Prix, I've noticed some people will speak more freer to someone who noses around the car industry as a hobby than as a job, & I wanted to find out some things for myself. Camaro was mentioned in one e-mail, so after that everyone else I spoke to who knew anything about what's generally going on inside GM (employee or contractor) I asked their opinion. In every case, almost without exception, the response was the same.
Everyone knew that Chevy was working on a RWD sedan that had a high priority, and Monte Carlo & Camaro would likely come out immediately afterward. The conservative guess was 2008 model year, and I posted that (and mentioned that GM was streamlining it's methods so it could be sooner). The consensus was still the '06-'07 model year, which is the same as has been posted all over the internet (which is why I was flabbergasted when everyone pounded on 2009!).
In short, Monte Carlo and Camaro will return as RWD cars. The inside GM opinion is NLT the 2008 model/ 2007 calendar year. The reason a date can't be pinned down is because GM is comming up to speed in revamping their whole development process (possibly why noone will say when Camaro will be back) as well as a few other problems.
08-28-2002, 03:28 AM
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Question: THe Grand Prix goes to RWD, what platform does it go to? Sigma is meant for Cadillac and not Chevrolet or Pontiac. So therefore with that as the only RWD platform, are they developing a low cost RWD platform as we speak? For the Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, and for the Camaro to piggyback onto? That would make sense for the Camaro since the combined sales of the Monte Carlo and the Grand Prix would allow for a smaller selling Camaro to becomes economically feasible.
So what is the platform? Sigma? Modified FWD platform (It was earlier mentioned the W-body platform could "easily" be modified for RWD)? A new platform?
So what is the platform? Sigma? Modified FWD platform (It was earlier mentioned the W-body platform could "easily" be modified for RWD)? A new platform?
08-28-2002, 10:37 PM
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GM is working out a RWD platform that is a sort of mixure of "V" & "sigma".
It's not so much taking a V-car & hammering it to make a "sigma" components fit. It's more along the lines of taking a V's floorpan, using it as a step on point and improving the design, instead of starting with a clean sheet design, which would take alot more time & money to develop.
It's not so much taking a V-car & hammering it to make a "sigma" components fit. It's more along the lines of taking a V's floorpan, using it as a step on point and improving the design, instead of starting with a clean sheet design, which would take alot more time & money to develop.
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That makes sense then. It is always cheaper and easier to use off the shelf type of stuff instead of creating a new product. This would also reduce the amount of time it would take to create this new platform.
And this coincides with the fact that there is no "Sigma-light."
So if this is the case then, the FWD W-body is dead. And being that this is a FWD, the plant that produces it (I don't know what city its built in, some help please?) will have to go through a major overhaul to be converted into a RWD factory, right? So if we are to look for Camaro news, we shouldn't be looking for press releases and small quotes, but look for signs that this one plant will undergo an overhaul, even if the specifics of what type of overhaul are not disclosed!
Thanks for the answer before guionM, you always satisfy my picky questions on stuff like this.
And this coincides with the fact that there is no "Sigma-light."
So if this is the case then, the FWD W-body is dead. And being that this is a FWD, the plant that produces it (I don't know what city its built in, some help please?) will have to go through a major overhaul to be converted into a RWD factory, right? So if we are to look for Camaro news, we shouldn't be looking for press releases and small quotes, but look for signs that this one plant will undergo an overhaul, even if the specifics of what type of overhaul are not disclosed!
Thanks for the answer before guionM, you always satisfy my picky questions on stuff like this.
08-29-2002, 10:04 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
GM is working out a RWD platform that is a sort of mixure of "V" & "sigma".
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GM is working out a RWD platform that is a sort of mixure of "V" & "sigma".
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I'm pretty convinced that this new V/Sigma (whatever they end up calling it), platform will end up being the "bread and butter" RWD platform for Chevy, Pontiac and Holden.
.....I'm just not convinced yet that this would form the basis of a 5th gen Camaro.
08-29-2002, 11:50 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Burmite:
That makes sense then. It is always cheaper and easier to use off the shelf type of stuff instead of creating a new product. This would also reduce the amount of time it would take to create this new platform.
And this coincides with the fact that there is no "Sigma-light."
So if this is the case then, the FWD W-body is dead. And being that this is a FWD, the plant that produces it (I don't know what city its built in, some help please?) will have to go through a major overhaul to be converted into a RWD factory, right? So if we are to look for Camaro news, we shouldn't be looking for press releases and small quotes, but look for signs that this one plant will undergo an overhaul, even if the specifics of what type of overhaul are not disclosed!
Thanks for the answer before guionM, you always satisfy my picky questions on stuff like this.</font>
That makes sense then. It is always cheaper and easier to use off the shelf type of stuff instead of creating a new product. This would also reduce the amount of time it would take to create this new platform.
And this coincides with the fact that there is no "Sigma-light."
So if this is the case then, the FWD W-body is dead. And being that this is a FWD, the plant that produces it (I don't know what city its built in, some help please?) will have to go through a major overhaul to be converted into a RWD factory, right? So if we are to look for Camaro news, we shouldn't be looking for press releases and small quotes, but look for signs that this one plant will undergo an overhaul, even if the specifics of what type of overhaul are not disclosed!
Thanks for the answer before guionM, you always satisfy my picky questions on stuff like this.</font>
Apparently, some form of the W will be around till the end of the decade.