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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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I assume your talking of the ute by your user name. Its one thing to try a niche product when you are profitable, another when you lost billions last year. The SSR was a flop and the ute pretty close to the same theme except its actually attractive and weighs 400lbs less. The Baja flopped too. I think it only lasted two years.

If GM will invest in high strength steel, weight will go down and mpgs up. The new mazda6 is bigger than the previous model and it weighs 77lbs LESS! Thats the future. good ole steel slightly more refined, it could save our RWD dreams if they invest in it.
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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In addition, GM's 2-mode hybrid system is too large to fit into a car-based platform

I coulda sworn I read GM developed (2) versions of the dual-mode transmission. One for car use and one for truck use.

Batteries on the other hand would make packaging in a car a nightmare.
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff Chadwick

I coulda sworn I read GM developed (2) versions of the dual-mode transmission. One for car use and one for truck use.

Batteries on the other hand would make packaging in a car a nightmare.

BMW was a partner in the two-mode, it will fit.
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 05:21 PM
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Can't say I blame them.

SUVs are far from dead, and anyone able will choose that over a SUV, especially in an upmarket car, which I think G8 is a bit. I would have liked to see Pontiac with a unique product that could see in numbers.
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
Does anyone else feel that a G8 coupe would sell better than a G8 wagon or pickup?
I think Camaro is pretty much the replacement for a G8 coupe/Monte Carlo/GP coupe/GTO/Monaro/and any other medium to large GM coupe under $35K.

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Old Jan 15, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
I think Camaro is pretty much the replacement for a G8 coupe/Monte Carlo/GP coupe/GTO/Monaro/and any other medium to large GM coupe under $35K.
The trouble with that is, one size (style) really doesn't fit all.
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 09:17 PM
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The trouble with that is, one size (style) really doesn't fit all.

I agree totally.
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
I think Camaro is pretty much the replacement for a G8 coupe/Monte Carlo/GP coupe/GTO/Monaro/and any other medium to large GM coupe under $35K.
Will the Camaro be shipped abroad, particularly Australia, if this is the case?
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 10:34 PM
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The trouble with that is, one size (style) really doesn't fit all.
The real trouble is that's not the size the car's is supposed to be......
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 10:41 PM
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I get the feeling that more shoes may drop for Zeta......


Which brings up the question: If the Camaro's business case is based on it sharing an architecture with a sedans - and those sedans no longer exists - what happens to Camaro's business case.
Holden are in trouble if that is the case
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 10:54 PM
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Holden are in trouble if that is the case

Which worries me in a large way - Holden has been my source of hope for a long time.
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JB'z 94
Will the Camaro be shipped abroad, particularly Australia, if this is the case?

I'm pretty sure it will be.
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Flip94ta
If GM will invest in high strength steel, weight will go down and mpgs up. The new mazda6 is bigger than the previous model and it weighs 77lbs LESS! Thats the future. good ole steel slightly more refined, it could save our RWD dreams if they invest in it.
You know, I've been harping on weight control for Camaro, since...well...forever.


And there have been lots of people here, (yes, you know who you are), who didn't want to hear it because they didn't care/thought adding more power makes it all better/GM will do their best/insert lame excuse here.

In case no one is noticing, the Zeta program is starting to be evicerated - especially in North America.

Mark my words: If Camaro comes in heavy, it will be a dead man walking.

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Old Jan 16, 2008 | 02:13 AM
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There is a few more things from goauto.com.au that isn't in this thread.

Come in Crewman
BIGGER AND
BETTER IN ’08
By BYRON MATHIOUDAKIS in DETROIT
GENERAL Motors product czar Bob Lutz has revealed that GM is set to display a VE-based SUV in the form of a four-door utility.
Speaking to Australian media at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit this week, Mr Lutz hinted that it might herald the unexpected return of the Crewman dual-cab ute in Australia, not to mention a new export opportunity to the United States for Holden.
“We will have a ute concept at the NY show, but that is going to be badged GMC,” he said. “That is a global design study – and a very interesting study in that it is a GMC toughlooking four-door ute that could then obviously be badged as a Holden for Australia.”
In the style of the old VY/VZ Crewman – but beefed up to look more like a US-style pick-up truck – the as-yet unnamed concept vehicle, which is understood to have been designed in Melbourne, will debut at the upcoming New York International Auto Show in March.
“It is very tough looking, with a sport-utility look that is very low, very aggressive looking, a blend between a sport utility and the classic Australian four-door ute,” Mr Lutz enthused.
GoAuto understands that Holden has played a significant role in the development of this vehicle, which uses the global Zeta architecture. Furthermore, if the New York motor show public reacts positively enough, a production version of the concept is likely in the near future.
However, Mr Lutz was also quick to water down speculation that a Crewman will be a sure thing.
“It is not targeted for production at this point,” he emphasised.
Asked whether it will be a replacement for the recently departed VZ Crewman – a car that Holden said was emphatically not on the cards at the ute’s launch last August – Mr Lutz said it was up to Holden to reveal that sort of information.
“You’re going to have to ask (new Holden chairman and managing director) Mark Reuss whether (a VE Crewman) is dead or not, but this concept is basically a reprisal of the Crewman in a more modern form.”
Mr Lutz did explain that the controversial fuel economy legislation that will come into effect might help the VE ute and Crewman’s cause in the US.
“We said to Holden’s designers that if we really have to get much better fuel economy in full-sized pick-up trucks, and we have to go away from framed vehicles to get the lower mass of unitised vehicles, wouldn’t you like to do a really tough-looking Crewman, but that is much lighter than a conventional GMC fullsized pick-up,” he said.
“The first time you see it, you might go ‘Whoa! I’m not sure I like this!’… because it is so tough and masculine looking.
“But the longer you look at the proportions the more right it looks for the type of image that it is trying to portray.”
Meanwhile, the regular VE ute may also get a guernsey at the NY show.
“It’s something that is under consideration, but it can’t be confirmed right now,” Mr Lutz said on the subject.
However, despite speculation that the VE ute may be introduced as a long-awaited successor to the Chevrolet El Camino, Mr Lutz said that it would make more sense as either a Pontiac or GMC-badged vehicle.
GMC previously offered a rebadged version of the El Camino, called the Sprint.
“If we did it, we would want to keep it in the same franchise, and I think that if there is any enthusiasm for that kind of vehicle in the United States, if we brought it, the expectation for that kind of vehicle by the American public would probably be as a Chevrolet, because it would be a reprise of the late and lamented El Camino,” Mr Lutz said.
“But that is the last thing we would do because Chevrolet has been blessed with so
many great products that we are at the limit to what the dealers can focus on.
“So if we put any more stuff in the Chevrolet channel it is not going to result in any more sales because we are at the outer edges of what the dealer personnel can understand and stock and explain and sell.
“And so it would be somebody else other than Chevrolet, and then the question is: would you give it to Pontiac or GMC?
“And that makes very little difference because they are in the BPG (Buick/Pontiac/GMC) channel, where Buick is at the top of that with near-luxury vehicles … and the idea is that Buick would never have something overtly truck-like while GMC is all overtly truck-like with nothing that resembles a passenger car.
“Pontiac would be focused on sporty, high performance passenger type of vehicles, and that’s where the ute fits, that’s where the G8 fits, and that’s where the Pontiac Solstice fits – and that’s how we want to focus that channel.”
Mr Lutz admitted that the fact there is already a Pontiac G8 sedan nosecone that already fits the VE Ute probably helps Pontiac’s case.
“That would be the logical thing to do, since we have already designed all the sheetmetal and it mates right up to the cowl; that would be another reason to go Pontiac because it is all done. No additional investment (is necessary).
“If we decide to take that it would be as currently sold in Australia – a two-door. But the one we will be displaying (at New York) will be the (Crewman-style) concept.”
NEW HOLDEN CONCEPT
GENERAL Motors global product boss Bob Lutz has revealed that Holden is putting the finishing touches on a concept car to be shown at the Melbourne International Motor Show next month. Not wishing to steal Holden’s thunder, Mr Lutz would not give any details away about what the concept might be, other than to say that it is one of the best he has ever seen. “(Holden) are working on a design down there that is going to knock everybody’s socks off,” Mr Lutz said. “And I am extremely proud of the design. It will emerge as one of GM Holden’s proudest moments. It is really terrific.” A Holden spokesperson refused to elaborate. Stay tuned.
Old Jan 16, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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keeping CaminoLS6's hopes alive...haha



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