The new Chevrolet Caprice and Lumina.
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I love the profile shot of the Caprice. I long with most wish they'd bring this one here. But is it that simple.
In what brand does it fit, and at what price point. I would assume you couldn't bring this vehicle in and upstage your elite Cadillac STS and DTS. So correct brand and positioning within the GM portfolio would be important to the success of this vehicle and the other vehicles under the GM umbrella.
I went and priced out one of these bad boys with a fair amount of options and it came to $56k in USD. Even a stripper version would come in well north of $45k USD. That seems out of the price range of the Chevrolet volume brand. Pontiac or Buick? At what price point makes sense with the other vehicles within the brand?
In what brand does it fit, and at what price point. I would assume you couldn't bring this vehicle in and upstage your elite Cadillac STS and DTS. So correct brand and positioning within the GM portfolio would be important to the success of this vehicle and the other vehicles under the GM umbrella.
I went and priced out one of these bad boys with a fair amount of options and it came to $56k in USD. Even a stripper version would come in well north of $45k USD. That seems out of the price range of the Chevrolet volume brand. Pontiac or Buick? At what price point makes sense with the other vehicles within the brand?
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I love the profile shot of the Caprice. I long with most wish they'd bring this one here. But is it that simple.
In what brand does it fit, and at what price point. I would assume you couldn't bring this vehicle in and upstage your elite Cadillac STS and DTS. So correct brand and positioning within the GM portfolio would be important to the success of this vehicle and the other vehicles under the GM umbrella.
I went and priced out one of these bad boys with a fair amount of options and it came to $56k in USD. Even a stripper version would come in well north of $45k USD. That seems out of the price range of the Chevrolet volume brand. Pontiac or Buick? At what price point makes sense with the other vehicles within the brand?
In what brand does it fit, and at what price point. I would assume you couldn't bring this vehicle in and upstage your elite Cadillac STS and DTS. So correct brand and positioning within the GM portfolio would be important to the success of this vehicle and the other vehicles under the GM umbrella.
I went and priced out one of these bad boys with a fair amount of options and it came to $56k in USD. Even a stripper version would come in well north of $45k USD. That seems out of the price range of the Chevrolet volume brand. Pontiac or Buick? At what price point makes sense with the other vehicles within the brand?
IIRC, you cannot convert the price like that because holden prices are higher than what they would sell for over here (I'm talking after you convert from Aus $ to US$). They are priced higher and sold in lower volume where in the US it is higher volume/ lower prices. That car would be less expensive in the US.
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ok, i never, ever thought i'd find myself in a larger gm car. until a very nice bonneville came along for $1000.
now that i see that pic of the lumina SS and all i have to say is, "1 please!".
if that thing comes here as RWD with a manual transmission and any sort of hot motor......
now that i see that pic of the lumina SS and all i have to say is, "1 please!".
if that thing comes here as RWD with a manual transmission and any sort of hot motor......
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The point is that the Camaro was purposely engineered to leave AWD out. The reason? It would have added cost and weight to ALL Camaros, regardless of whether you chose AWD or RWD. It was a good move IMO.
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The Commodores look great.
The Caprices are stunning in person. The lack of any real front overhang catches your attention, the extremely long wheelbase makes the car look deceptively huge from the side even though it's no longer than our Impala. The whole bodywork is chisled much the same way the Cadillac CTS currently is. To see a new one shiny in twilight makes you stop to look.
If there's a weak point to the car, it the dash. To me the dash looks to Buick-ish. Not the new Buick, but the traditional recessed round guages, Riviera-like Buick.
Not that it's bad, but it just doesn't match the exterior's high style IMO.
As for the HSV Commodore, it DOES look great in pictures. But seeing one in real life is a different story. To say it's a little over the top would be an understatement. Imagine taking a car that already has a high amount of body styling, giving an import body kit designer (or study hall doodler) a card blanche on the car, and finally mixing up some of those eyball melting colors from the late 60s-early 70s, and you get an idea of what experiencing the HSV Commodore in real life is like.
You see them coming in your dircetion blocks away!
IIRC, you cannot convert the price like that because holden prices are higher than what they would sell for over here (I'm talking after you convert from Aus $ to US$). They are priced higher and sold in lower volume where in the US it is higher volume/ lower prices. That car would be less expensive in the US.
The pricing structure in Aussie cars is based on what the cars need to make in order to be profitable using only Australian sales numbers. Monaros needed to sell at $40-45K to be profitable, but could be sold here for $32K.... and could have been sold for quite a bit lower (why GM never sweated on the volume till it got below 900 per month).
I'd guess that Caprice that might cost the equavilent of $50-56K in Australia would probally sell for the mid to upper 30s here.
I wouldn't expect the same discount when we get the Ute. They already sell in the low 20s till you get to the SS version (around $30K), so I would expect the price to stay the same.
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