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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 06:28 AM
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My Blood Is Boiling

Take a look at the first couple of paragraphs to see why:

Opinion: As Toyota Goes ...
New York Times 06/17/05
author: Thomas L. Friedman
c. 2005 New York Times Company


So I have a question: If I am rooting for General Motors to go bankrupt and be bought out by Toyota, does that make me a bad person?

It is not that I want any autoworker to lose his or her job, but I certainly would not put on a black tie if the entire management team at G.M. got sacked and was replaced by executives from Toyota. Indeed, I think the only hope for G.M.'s autoworkers, and maybe even our country, is with Toyota. Because let's face it, as Toyota goes, so goes America.

Having Toyota take over General Motors - which based its business strategy on building gas-guzzling cars, including the idiot Hummer, scoffing at hybrid technology and fighting Congressional efforts to impose higher mileage standards on U.S. automakers - would not only be in America's economic interest, it would also be in America's geopolitical interest.

Because Toyota has pioneered the very hybrid engine technology that can help rescue not only our economy from its oil addiction (how about 500 miles per gallon of gasoline?), but also our foreign policy from dependence on Middle Eastern oil autocrats.

Diffusing Toyota's hybrid technology is one of the keys to what I call geo-green. Geo-greens seek to combine into a single political movement environmentalists who want to reduce fossil fuels that cause climate change, evangelicals who want to protect God's green earth and all his creations, and geo-strategists who want to reduce our dependence on crude oil because it fuels some of the worst regimes in the world.

The Bush team has been M.I.A. on energy since 9/11. Indeed, the utter indifference of the Bush team to developing a geo-green strategy - which would also strengthen the dollar, reduce our trade deficit, make America the world leader in combating climate change and stimulate U.S. companies to take the lead in producing the green technologies that the world will desperately need as China and India industrialize - is so irresponsible that it takes your breath away. This is especially true when you realize that the solutions to our problems are already here.

As Gal Luft, co-chairman of the Set America Free coalition, a bipartisan alliance of national security, labor, environmental and religious groups that believe reducing oil consumption is a national priority, points out: the majority of U.S. oil imports go to fueling the transport sector - primarily cars and trucks. Therefore, the key to reducing our dependence on foreign oil is powering our cars and trucks with less petroleum.

There are two ways we can do that. One is electricity. We don't import electricity. We generate all of our needs with coal, hydropower, nuclear power and natural gas. Toyota's hybrid cars, like the Prius, run on both gasoline and electricity that is generated by braking and then stored in a small battery. But, says Luft, if you had a hybrid that you could plug in at night, the battery could store up 20 miles of driving per day. So your first 20 miles would be covered by the battery. The gasoline would only kick in after that. Since 50 percent of Americans do not drive more than 20 miles a day, the battery power would cover all their driving. Even if they drove more than that, combining the battery power and the gasoline could give them 100 miles per gallon of gasoline used, Luft notes.

Right now Toyota does not sell plug-in hybrids. Some enthusiasts, though, are using kits to convert their hybrids to plug-ins, but that adds several thousand dollars - and you lose your Toyota warranty. Imagine, though, if the government encouraged, through tax policy and other incentives, every automaker to offer plug-in hybrids? We would quickly move down the innovation curve and end up with better and cheaper plug-ins for all.

Then add to that flexible-fuel cars, which have a special chip and fuel line that enable them to burn alcohol (ethanol or methanol), gasoline or any mixture of the two. Some four million U.S. cars already come equipped this way, including from G.M. It costs only about $100 a car to make it flex-fuel ready. Brazil hopes to have all its new cars flex-fuel ready by 2008. As Luft notes, if you combined a plug-in hybrid system with a flex-fuel system that burns 80 percent alcohol and 20 percent gasoline, you could end up stretching each gallon of gasoline up to 500 miles.

In short, we don't need to reinvent the wheel or wait for sci-fi hydrogen fuel cells. The technologies we need for a stronger, more energy independent America are already here. The only thing we have a shortage of now are leaders with the imagination and will to move the country onto a geo-green path.
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 06:35 AM
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I seem to recall that the Sequoia gets about 1 MPG worse mileage than the Suburban K1500 in the EPA tests. And 500 MPG from a hybrid? Um, OK. And then he touches on my favorite myth, that of ethanol (produced by a process that currently consumes 2 BTU of energy for every one BTU produced).

Most in the political world, whether on the left or right, think that Friedman's an idiot anyways.
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 06:50 AM
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"New York Times".

'Nuff said.
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Red02SS
"New York Times".

'Nuff said.
I was going to say the same thing..........and Friedman....so that's double.

I couldn't even read the rest of that trash. I hate Toyota and they can take back the lump of crap Camry that my mother bought a few years ago that now has a blown motor.

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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 07:17 AM
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And the assertion that Toyota is greener because of the Prius, when GM's hybrid city buses save more oil and pollution than a year's worth of Pruises put together.
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 07:18 AM
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I guess he didn't read anything about his glorious Toyota's Pruis and all the unhappy owners not getting near the milage promised...

Anyway, ya, he's spot-on.... Just what America needs...... one of it's largest companies to go bankrupt and be bought out by a foreigh competitor... Genius!
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Bryant
Most in the political world, whether on the left or right, think that Friedman's an idiot anyways.
I've never heard of him before but it only took a couple of paragraphs to be convinced (that he's an idiot).
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 08:28 AM
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He should have stuck to writing columns on the Middle East...something he seems to know much more about.
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe K. 96 Zeee!!
He should have stuck to writing columns on the Middle East...something he seems to know much more about.
Like what? Proctology?
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 08:48 AM
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no email address to this ***...??
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Red02SS
"New York Times".

'Nuff said.





It is a stupid article though. GM has more class leading MPG cars than Toyota. Toyota cars/trucks make me sleepy
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 08:53 AM
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That guy's an idiot!
Competition is good. It's improved everybody's products, but to keep losing the American industry giants, will be tragic.
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 09:01 AM
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You will hardly find anything written in the NYT without some anti-American/anti-republican/anti-troops spin baked in. This guy can sound like an idiot with his facts, but as long as he appeals to his left wing elitist audience....he's in.

Unfortunately for the NYT though, between Manhattan and Malibu there lies a whole country that doesn't buy into their biased crap.....and that whole country is called America,(to paraphrase Bernie Goldberg).

Anyhooo.....

I really hope Chevy gets it's act together and starts putting the hurt on Toyota very soon. Chevy needs to win back that place between Manhatten and Malibu.
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 09:03 AM
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but even stupid people read this crap..whats there sales volume of the paper ..tells you how many people read this crap and take it as connon..
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 09:29 AM
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What's worse, Toyota is so self-absorbed that they are indeed convinced that they now have a profound impact on the US auto market, they alone are capable of controling pricing in the market as a whole, and they are considering a price-hike on their product to give Ford and GM some "breathing room". Toyota is fearful that there would be a resentment of US buyers if they drove one of the US carmakers out of business, and then they (Toyota) would lose the American market as a result.

1) Even if they are right, how ARROGANT to think they control so much of a free market.
2) What a convenient and patriotic way to increase the price of your product... "we are raising our prices for the betterment of the American people and job market".
3) We now know what is best for the American carmakers - despite our inability to make a beautifully-styled car, a workhorse of a truck, or having to pay 5 decades of legacy healthcare and compliance to the world's strictest environmental regulations.

Ahhh.... don't get me stated on this on a Friday!



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