More on the VE coming to North America, from GoAutoNews
More on the VE coming to North America, from GoAutoNews
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GM HOLDEN will sell more cars overseas than it does in Australia if a plan to export its billion-dollar VE Commodore to the US as the next-generation Pontiac Grand Prix sedan comes to fruition.
In an exclusive interview with GoAuto to discuss the concept of the VE as a world car rather than just an Australian car, company chairman and managing director Denny Mooney said that he was anticipating approval for the US program.
“You will see an announcement in the next three to four months. Assuming it happens, (shipments) would start a little beyond that. I am not making an offi cial announcement (in this discussion),” he told GoAuto, “but it looks very favourable.”
“I can tell you unequivocally that we designed the VE with the US in mind.”
Mr Mooney confi rmed that VE Commodore SS-V four-door sedans were under assessment in Detroit and indicated that speculation in the US motoring media that these Holden sports sedans would be sold as the Pontiac Grand Prix was not far off the mark.
In the strongest indication yet that GM is about to announce renewed Holden exports to Pontiac in the US, Mr Mooney revealed Holden plans to export more cars from the company’s Elizabeth plant in Adelaide than it sells here.
"I think from a manufacturing strategy here in Australia, Holden will ultimately have at least as many exports, if not more exports, than we have domestic (sales of local cars),” he said.
The plans are part of a strategy to droughtproof Holden from the changes taking place in Australia in which large-car sales are drying up following a shift in the nature of the market.
“The one thing everyone needs to remember in this market, as in every market around the world, is that the market is fragmenting,” Mr Mooney said. “You are not going to see any market in the future with one car or a couple of car lines dominating the market like we did 10 or 20 years ago.
“Everybody (when assessing large-car performance) wants to compare back to the market 10 years ago, but the market is much more fragmented. There are many more brands out there and many more models out there than there were back then (therefore) you have to fi nd more markets for the car that you have.
“I don’t know if we would go as far as Toyota’s model where they have many more (Camry) exports than they do domestic sales, but I can see in the future to survive we must have a fairly significant amount of export business.”
Mr Mooney said that in addition to the Middle East, where sales are expected to remain around 30,000 units a year, the US was “the other big market that we are looking at”.
He said that an export program of a fourdoor sedan to the US market could potentially achieve far more volume than the Pontiac GTO (Monaro), which failed to achieve the 18,000 units expected of it.
“If you look at this kind of vehicle in the US today, the sedan market is 20 times bigger than the coupe market.”
Asked if the potential of the Pontiac program was inhibited by using the Monaro coupe body, Mr Mooney said: “There is no question. Coupes are very niche products in the US. Very niche. There is signifi cantly more volume in a sedan. As sedans got better looking and got more sporty performance in the US market, coupes over time just disappeared.”
Mr Mooney said that Pontiac was “the natural partnership” for a Holden-sourced VE sedan program in the US. He has already told Australian media earlier this year that the SS-V would make a great Pontiac and that Holden could play a role in moving Pontiac to rear-wheel drive.
Meanwhile, Mr Mooney said that the first shipments of the VE have gone to the Middle East and the VE launch was held there two weeks ago. “We will do more than 30,000 vehicles there next year and we will do about 30,000 this year. That includes the Chevrolet Lumina (Commodore) and the Chevrolet Caprice (Statesman). It could increase, but that is our current forecast for next year. I am optimistic. There is a lot of enthusiasm for the product.”
This compares with a forecast for 62,000 VZ/ VE sales this year in Australia. This means that if Holden was to export more cars than it sold domestically, sales of Pontiacs would have to be well over double those achieved by the GTO.
Mr Mooney said that one of Holden’s strengths was that it already had installed capacity, equipment and infrastructure for the VE architecture. He said that under the GM “flex strategy”, a model could now be moved quickly from one plant to another. “It potentially gives you more options in more markets.”
Far from seeing it as a threat that VE production could potentially go elsewhere, Mr Mooney saw the “flex strategy” as an advantage for Holden.
“GM looks very hard at its existing installed capacity before it decides to spend money on new installed capacity. So we have the advantage of having spent half a billion dollars (on VE capacity) over the last three years,” he said.
He said that having VE architecture being built elsewhere in the world, like for the Camaro, would benefit Australian parts makers supplying the program and would mean that GM could afford more sophisticated systems for cars sold in small markets. This was because the investment recovery in sophisticated systems was being spread across total VE architecture volumes.
“Some of the engineering that we are doing on that vehicle (the Camaro) that is advancing the architecture will help our vehicles (Commodore) over time because it will apply directly to our vehicles,” he said. “It can help us put more advanced electronic features in our cars here and can help leverage lower cost components that would be common.”
GM HOLDEN will sell more cars overseas than it does in Australia if a plan to export its billion-dollar VE Commodore to the US as the next-generation Pontiac Grand Prix sedan comes to fruition.
In an exclusive interview with GoAuto to discuss the concept of the VE as a world car rather than just an Australian car, company chairman and managing director Denny Mooney said that he was anticipating approval for the US program.
“You will see an announcement in the next three to four months. Assuming it happens, (shipments) would start a little beyond that. I am not making an offi cial announcement (in this discussion),” he told GoAuto, “but it looks very favourable.”
“I can tell you unequivocally that we designed the VE with the US in mind.”
Mr Mooney confi rmed that VE Commodore SS-V four-door sedans were under assessment in Detroit and indicated that speculation in the US motoring media that these Holden sports sedans would be sold as the Pontiac Grand Prix was not far off the mark.
In the strongest indication yet that GM is about to announce renewed Holden exports to Pontiac in the US, Mr Mooney revealed Holden plans to export more cars from the company’s Elizabeth plant in Adelaide than it sells here.
"I think from a manufacturing strategy here in Australia, Holden will ultimately have at least as many exports, if not more exports, than we have domestic (sales of local cars),” he said.
The plans are part of a strategy to droughtproof Holden from the changes taking place in Australia in which large-car sales are drying up following a shift in the nature of the market.
“The one thing everyone needs to remember in this market, as in every market around the world, is that the market is fragmenting,” Mr Mooney said. “You are not going to see any market in the future with one car or a couple of car lines dominating the market like we did 10 or 20 years ago.
“Everybody (when assessing large-car performance) wants to compare back to the market 10 years ago, but the market is much more fragmented. There are many more brands out there and many more models out there than there were back then (therefore) you have to fi nd more markets for the car that you have.
“I don’t know if we would go as far as Toyota’s model where they have many more (Camry) exports than they do domestic sales, but I can see in the future to survive we must have a fairly significant amount of export business.”
Mr Mooney said that in addition to the Middle East, where sales are expected to remain around 30,000 units a year, the US was “the other big market that we are looking at”.
He said that an export program of a fourdoor sedan to the US market could potentially achieve far more volume than the Pontiac GTO (Monaro), which failed to achieve the 18,000 units expected of it.
“If you look at this kind of vehicle in the US today, the sedan market is 20 times bigger than the coupe market.”
Asked if the potential of the Pontiac program was inhibited by using the Monaro coupe body, Mr Mooney said: “There is no question. Coupes are very niche products in the US. Very niche. There is signifi cantly more volume in a sedan. As sedans got better looking and got more sporty performance in the US market, coupes over time just disappeared.”
Mr Mooney said that Pontiac was “the natural partnership” for a Holden-sourced VE sedan program in the US. He has already told Australian media earlier this year that the SS-V would make a great Pontiac and that Holden could play a role in moving Pontiac to rear-wheel drive.
Meanwhile, Mr Mooney said that the first shipments of the VE have gone to the Middle East and the VE launch was held there two weeks ago. “We will do more than 30,000 vehicles there next year and we will do about 30,000 this year. That includes the Chevrolet Lumina (Commodore) and the Chevrolet Caprice (Statesman). It could increase, but that is our current forecast for next year. I am optimistic. There is a lot of enthusiasm for the product.”
This compares with a forecast for 62,000 VZ/ VE sales this year in Australia. This means that if Holden was to export more cars than it sold domestically, sales of Pontiacs would have to be well over double those achieved by the GTO.
Mr Mooney said that one of Holden’s strengths was that it already had installed capacity, equipment and infrastructure for the VE architecture. He said that under the GM “flex strategy”, a model could now be moved quickly from one plant to another. “It potentially gives you more options in more markets.”
Far from seeing it as a threat that VE production could potentially go elsewhere, Mr Mooney saw the “flex strategy” as an advantage for Holden.
“GM looks very hard at its existing installed capacity before it decides to spend money on new installed capacity. So we have the advantage of having spent half a billion dollars (on VE capacity) over the last three years,” he said.
He said that having VE architecture being built elsewhere in the world, like for the Camaro, would benefit Australian parts makers supplying the program and would mean that GM could afford more sophisticated systems for cars sold in small markets. This was because the investment recovery in sophisticated systems was being spread across total VE architecture volumes.
“Some of the engineering that we are doing on that vehicle (the Camaro) that is advancing the architecture will help our vehicles (Commodore) over time because it will apply directly to our vehicles,” he said. “It can help us put more advanced electronic features in our cars here and can help leverage lower cost components that would be common.”
I really want to see this here as the new Grand Prix. The important difference you'd want to recall between this and the ill-fated GTO is that no one is going to mourn the fact that it doesn't look like an '04 Grand Prix
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"But it doesn't have the buck teeth!"
."But it doesn't have the buck teeth!"
Originally posted by 97z28/m6
is it coming to canada?
is it coming to canada?
I'll go so far as to say that if the VE cars, like the previous VZ cars have the 2.5 mph variety then any imported cars will be US bound only..........Who here would know, or be able to offer the most educated guess and be willing to step forward to take a stab at it, hmmmm?
Last edited by SharpShooter_SS; Nov 21, 2006 at 01:33 PM.
Recall that the VZ cars were never really designed with North America in mind, hence the significant changes required to get GTO to the US, and its outright unavailability in Canada.
GM is truly thinking global now, and VE was designed with all the world markets in mind. If it comes to the US, it will come to Canada.
GM is truly thinking global now, and VE was designed with all the world markets in mind. If it comes to the US, it will come to Canada.
Well thanks Guy...... I believe that you're the first to actually say that the bumpers may well have been designed to meet the 5mph standard. I don't think this is an issue with GM cars produced in NA regardless of whether or not they originated in the US or Canada - they all pretty much without exception, met the 5mph standard hence the ability to import just about any GMNA model over the years from US owners to Canadian buyers.......
It woud suck to miss out on these cars the same way we missed out on the GTO and I think that the main reason we were overlooked had to do with the limited overall importation and the miniscule slice that would have come here in the end probably didn't justify whatever it would have cost to design and certify 5mph bumpers given the narrow timeframe in place to get the cars to the US.
It woud suck to miss out on these cars the same way we missed out on the GTO and I think that the main reason we were overlooked had to do with the limited overall importation and the miniscule slice that would have come here in the end probably didn't justify whatever it would have cost to design and certify 5mph bumpers given the narrow timeframe in place to get the cars to the US.
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