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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
So long as it is done correctly, I think the idea of having the divisions fill a seperate "niche" is a great idea. For example, it would be neat to have a Pontiac or Buick be something other than a re-skinned Chevy (or vice/versa). Some substantial individuality (again, assuming it is done correctly) would be quite nice, I think.
How/why is that?
How/why is that?
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If the V-car continues production I fully expect to see the current Ute continued along with the Monaro/GTO and I also expect the Ute to make it to the US as a El Camino since the FTA has been completed, it is done right?
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Lori Queen is the only person to say 2+2 Kappa's are dead. Nobody else. I'd like to call it GM's way of "nipping it in the bud" at least for as long as they can keep a project (or more than one under wraps).
As far as everything else goes. It's all speculation. But, Buickman has an idea as far as Buicks naming scheme goes and calling it "American Luxury." How the hell are French names American Luxury?
As far as everything else goes. It's all speculation. But, Buickman has an idea as far as Buicks naming scheme goes and calling it "American Luxury." How the hell are French names American Luxury?
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It's not just because of Lori Queen.
Look at some pictures of a bare Kappa. Look at where the gas tank is in relation to the seats. Look at the engine compartment, and imagine where an engine cradle for a V8 would go.
Turning Kappa into a 2+2, V8 car, wouldn't leave you with any Kappa left.
Anyway, I'm glad the current VZ GTO will be manufactured by Holden, for sometime to come. I saw a silver '04 tonight with 18" TSW wheels. SHARP! I can't believe how much nicer these cars look with better wheels.
Look at some pictures of a bare Kappa. Look at where the gas tank is in relation to the seats. Look at the engine compartment, and imagine where an engine cradle for a V8 would go.
Turning Kappa into a 2+2, V8 car, wouldn't leave you with any Kappa left.
Anyway, I'm glad the current VZ GTO will be manufactured by Holden, for sometime to come. I saw a silver '04 tonight with 18" TSW wheels. SHARP! I can't believe how much nicer these cars look with better wheels.
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
It's not just because of Lori Queen.
Look at some pictures of a bare Kappa. Look at where the gas tank is in relation to the seats. Look at the engine compartment, and imagine where an engine cradle for a V8 would go.
Turning Kappa into a 2+2, V8 car, wouldn't leave you with any Kappa left.
Anyway, I'm glad the current VZ GTO will be manufactured by Holden, for sometime to come. I saw a silver '04 tonight with 18" TSW wheels. SHARP! I can't believe how much nicer these cars look with better wheels.
Look at some pictures of a bare Kappa. Look at where the gas tank is in relation to the seats. Look at the engine compartment, and imagine where an engine cradle for a V8 would go.
Turning Kappa into a 2+2, V8 car, wouldn't leave you with any Kappa left.
Anyway, I'm glad the current VZ GTO will be manufactured by Holden, for sometime to come. I saw a silver '04 tonight with 18" TSW wheels. SHARP! I can't believe how much nicer these cars look with better wheels.
I would be happy with a 2+2 kappa with an ecotec (or maybe an I5
). A modernday Vega type car would be awesome.
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Who says a V8 wouldnt fit into Kappa as we see it now? Nobody has. Who says a V6 wouldnt fit into Kappa as we see it now? Nobody has. Infact, if people remember correctly, C&G (myself) were told directly that a V6 would fit into Kappa and it was picked up by PHR. That story has yet to be challenged.
Kappa may have more to it then people think.
Kappa may have more to it then people think.
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Originally Posted by Josh452
Who says a V8 wouldnt fit into Kappa as we see it now? Nobody has. Who says a V6 wouldnt fit into Kappa as we see it now? Nobody has. Infact, if people remember correctly, C&G (myself) were told directly that a V6 would fit into Kappa and it was picked up by PHR. That story has yet to be challenged.
Kappa may have more to it then people think.
Kappa may have more to it then people think.
although you have not done that since last fall or there about...
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Today's Detroit News:
GM product plan only part of solution, analysts say
By Dee-Ann Durbin / Associated Press
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DETROIT -- General Motors Corp.'s plan to streamline offerings from its eight brands won't be easy and is only part of what the automaker needs to do to turn itself around, some industry analysts said Friday.
Mark LaNeve, GM's North American sales and marketing chief, said in a speech Thursday that GM wants Cadillac and Chevrolet to be its only brands with a full lineup of vehicles. The company's other brands -- Buick, GMC, Pontiac, Hummer, Saturn and Saab -- should have limited offerings that fit within their distinct brand identity.
"I'd rather have four great Pontiacs that are really distinct and stand for athletic design and performance, than seven or eight capable but indistinguishable Pontiacs that fail to fully deliver on the brand's promise," LaNeve told a meeting of the International Motor Press Association in New York.
LaNeve reiterated that GM plans to keep its full lineup of brands. Earlier this spring, GM vice chairman Bob Lutz suggested the automaker could phase out some of its "undernourished" brands, such as Pontiac and Buick.
"Far from being a liability, we believe GM's eight brands constitute one of our greatest assets, giving us market coverage no other carmaker can touch," LaNeve said.
LaNeve said GM has successfully established Hummer as "a daring, go-anywhere brand," while GMC is a leader in trucks. Buick needs to be the company's affordable, near-luxury brand, while Saturn will double its vehicle portfolio over the next few years to capitalize on its customer-friendly image.
Art Spinella, an automotive analyst with Oregon-based CNW Marketing Research, said GM has talked for years about streamlining brands, and it has already taken steps like removing the Bonneville sedan from the sporty Pontiac lineup.
"We've heard this story before. Quite honestly, I'm not sure that anybody internally has the fortitude or the weight to actually do it," Spinella said.
Spinella said GM needs to make sure everyone at the company is working toward GM's goal. For example, Toyota Motor Corp. has a huge staff visiting dealers to make sure the company's messages get out. GM isn't matching that effort, he said.
LaNeve addressed that criticism, saying GM dealers haven't been competitive in the look and location of their facilities. But he said dealers are trying to change that. Between 2003 and 2006, Cadillac dealers will make $200 million on new dealerships across the country, LaNeve said.
David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, agreed that GM's product plans aren't new but said the company may be trying to accelerate them.
"Everyone is paying more attention to it with the current travails of GM, but this stuff has been in the pipeline for a long time," Cole said.
Cole suspects GM is focusing on the product plans to deflect attention from more difficult issues, including negotiations with the United Auto Workers over health care costs and declining U.S. sales and market share.
GM saw its sales fall 5 percent in the first four months of the year, and its market share fell in April to 25.1 percent from 27.7 percent the year before. The world's largest automaker posted a $1.1 billion loss in the first quarter.
Cole said he expects GM to announce restructuring plans in the next few weeks, including possible plant closings.
GM's shares were up 23 cents to close at $32.98 Friday on the New York Stock Exchange. They have been trading in a 52-week range of $24.67 to $48.27.
By Dee-Ann Durbin / Associated Press
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DETROIT -- General Motors Corp.'s plan to streamline offerings from its eight brands won't be easy and is only part of what the automaker needs to do to turn itself around, some industry analysts said Friday.
Mark LaNeve, GM's North American sales and marketing chief, said in a speech Thursday that GM wants Cadillac and Chevrolet to be its only brands with a full lineup of vehicles. The company's other brands -- Buick, GMC, Pontiac, Hummer, Saturn and Saab -- should have limited offerings that fit within their distinct brand identity.
"I'd rather have four great Pontiacs that are really distinct and stand for athletic design and performance, than seven or eight capable but indistinguishable Pontiacs that fail to fully deliver on the brand's promise," LaNeve told a meeting of the International Motor Press Association in New York.
LaNeve reiterated that GM plans to keep its full lineup of brands. Earlier this spring, GM vice chairman Bob Lutz suggested the automaker could phase out some of its "undernourished" brands, such as Pontiac and Buick.
"Far from being a liability, we believe GM's eight brands constitute one of our greatest assets, giving us market coverage no other carmaker can touch," LaNeve said.
LaNeve said GM has successfully established Hummer as "a daring, go-anywhere brand," while GMC is a leader in trucks. Buick needs to be the company's affordable, near-luxury brand, while Saturn will double its vehicle portfolio over the next few years to capitalize on its customer-friendly image.
Art Spinella, an automotive analyst with Oregon-based CNW Marketing Research, said GM has talked for years about streamlining brands, and it has already taken steps like removing the Bonneville sedan from the sporty Pontiac lineup.
"We've heard this story before. Quite honestly, I'm not sure that anybody internally has the fortitude or the weight to actually do it," Spinella said.
Spinella said GM needs to make sure everyone at the company is working toward GM's goal. For example, Toyota Motor Corp. has a huge staff visiting dealers to make sure the company's messages get out. GM isn't matching that effort, he said.
LaNeve addressed that criticism, saying GM dealers haven't been competitive in the look and location of their facilities. But he said dealers are trying to change that. Between 2003 and 2006, Cadillac dealers will make $200 million on new dealerships across the country, LaNeve said.
David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, agreed that GM's product plans aren't new but said the company may be trying to accelerate them.
"Everyone is paying more attention to it with the current travails of GM, but this stuff has been in the pipeline for a long time," Cole said.
Cole suspects GM is focusing on the product plans to deflect attention from more difficult issues, including negotiations with the United Auto Workers over health care costs and declining U.S. sales and market share.
GM saw its sales fall 5 percent in the first four months of the year, and its market share fell in April to 25.1 percent from 27.7 percent the year before. The world's largest automaker posted a $1.1 billion loss in the first quarter.
Cole said he expects GM to announce restructuring plans in the next few weeks, including possible plant closings.
GM's shares were up 23 cents to close at $32.98 Friday on the New York Stock Exchange. They have been trading in a 52-week range of $24.67 to $48.27.
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I do not recall ever arguing that they would not fit, I do however remember arguing that they could fit and still maintain the sportscar feel with those engines.
They could fit, and have fit before, but the modifications that would need to be made do not justify putting a V6 or higher displacement in Kappa.
They could fit, and have fit before, but the modifications that would need to be made do not justify putting a V6 or higher displacement in Kappa.
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"I'd rather have four great Pontiacs that are really distinct and stand for athletic design and performance, than seven or eight capable but indistinguishable Pontiacs that fail to fully deliver on the brand's promise,"
Now THAT would get me excited, and I think an EXCELLENT path to go down.
They just need to pull it off...color me a bit skeptical, though I'd love to be wrong this time.
Now THAT would get me excited, and I think an EXCELLENT path to go down.
They just need to pull it off...color me a bit skeptical, though I'd love to be wrong this time.
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
"I'd rather have four great Pontiacs that are really distinct and stand for athletic design and performance, than seven or eight capable but indistinguishable Pontiacs that fail to fully deliver on the brand's promise,"
Now THAT would get me excited, and I think an EXCELLENT path to go down.
They just need to pull it off...color me a bit skeptical, though I'd love to be wrong this time.
Now THAT would get me excited, and I think an EXCELLENT path to go down.
They just need to pull it off...color me a bit skeptical, though I'd love to be wrong this time.
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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
"I'd rather have four great Pontiacs that are really distinct and stand for athletic design and performance, than seven or eight capable but indistinguishable Pontiacs that fail to fully deliver on the brand's promise,"
Now THAT would get me excited, and I think an EXCELLENT path to go down.
They just need to pull it off...color me a bit skeptical, though I'd love to be wrong this time.
Now THAT would get me excited, and I think an EXCELLENT path to go down.
They just need to pull it off...color me a bit skeptical, though I'd love to be wrong this time.
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
We're on the same page, Bob.
Originally Posted by Last of a Breed
I'm with you on that one Bob....


