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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 11:48 PM
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This is what id like to see.

Base: 3800II or 5.3L v8
RS: 5.3L v8 with 'SS-like' appearance options, maybe some performance tweaks
Z28: LS2
SS: like the 4th gens, but with an LS2.
Old Jun 17, 2004 | 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by alam
This is what id like to see.

Base: 3800II or 5.3L v8
RS: 5.3L v8 with 'SS-like' appearance options, maybe some performance tweaks
Z28: LS2
SS: like the 4th gens, but with an LS2.
It's nice to post what you'd "like" to see. But the purpose of this thread was to "Make the case" for one.

GM is a business (an amazingly cheap one at times) and as a business, everything it does has to make business sense. General Motors is not a charity. They don't make automotive decisions just to promote good will.

The points I put at the begining of the thread are the reasons why no mid V8 engine was offered in the 4th gen Camaro. Again, they were:

1. It would NOT lead to cheaper insurence.
2. It would NOT make the car any cheaper.
3. It would NOT create new buyers due to less horsepower.

I also pointed out that V8s today are viewed as dinosaurs or as very high powered engines, and most buyers who would once buy a "mid-level" V8 are buying V6s today.

There's very very likely to be a "mid-level" V8 in the next Camaro, because the chassis it's going to share with other carlines is going to be certified for it, so this whole thread's point may be moot. But it's an opportunity for GM to get feedback or those at GM that wanted a different view to get some ideas to help make the case for a mid-level V8.

BTW, To those who still favor Camaro having it's own chassis:

Unlike the car that's replacing Camaro's position, the 4th gen's unique chassis meant that everything that would be certified on the car would be more expensive than if the car had other lines to share the cost. Since there was only the Camaro & Firebird, and the sales numbers were relatively low, it was never considered. Low production cars tend to have limited ability to have multiple engines.

To GM, F-bodies selling just 50,000 f-bodies in a good year, pale in comparison to, say, a B body running 200,000 or a W body 300-400,000+ (let alone what J bodies run) on a consistant basis.

Nevermind that Ford Mustang is a similarly old and unique chassis, and it had 3 separate V8s as well as a V6.
Old Jun 17, 2004 | 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by guionM
1. It would NOT lead to cheaper insurence.
2. It would NOT make the car any cheaper.
3. It would NOT create new buyers due to less horsepower.

I also pointed out that V8s today are viewed as dinosaurs or as very high powered engines, and most buyers who would once buy a "mid-level" V8 are buying V6s today.
Put it this way... I bought a camaro because I wanted a rwd v8. I had to convince my parents I could handle a 275hp car. THAT was a challenge in itself. If the only v8 car had 400+hp from the factory I could see the look on my parents face now So then the person like me who wanted the v8 car is left with no options... besides a v6 which I would never waste my very hard earned money on. Now im old enough that it doesnt matter what they think. But if GM wants to see some v8 cars in high school parking lots, (that should be their target audience IMO) theyd better offer the beginners a middle of the road option. A tame, but very modable 5.3 for example. otherwise theyre gonna go for other mild but moddable cars... *cough* imports *cough* AND when young people grow up on imports, they tend to stay with imports...which would obviously affect other future sales. So in conclusion I have to disagree with your 3rd point.

my .02

(I think I already brought this up in this thread before but oh well)

Last edited by JoeliusZ28; Jun 18, 2004 at 01:57 PM.
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