Magazine scribes roll Toyota Kluger (Highlander)
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I am not an engineer nor did I say at a Holiday Inn Express last night but I’ve been around long enough to know that if you want to do real testing of a type of system between different brands/models of vehicles, the only want to REALLY know how well the system is doing is to remove all other variables – that means controlled circumstances.
Same driver or not…professional driver of not, there are probably dozens if not hundreds of factors that could come into play in testing like this and just because the guy manages to roll the Toyota cannot be taken as hard evidence that their system was at fault.
It may be, I may not be but you’ll never know from testing like this.
Not that I expect you to believe me; we are, after all, talking about an evil Toyota – it must be the vehicle’s fault!
Same driver or not…professional driver of not, there are probably dozens if not hundreds of factors that could come into play in testing like this and just because the guy manages to roll the Toyota cannot be taken as hard evidence that their system was at fault.
It may be, I may not be but you’ll never know from testing like this.
Not that I expect you to believe me; we are, after all, talking about an evil Toyota – it must be the vehicle’s fault!
If the system had performed as promised, there would have not been a roll over. But then again i don't expect you to understand, your not of an engineering mindset.
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You missed my point that the system failed to respond in a situation that it should have. It has nothing to do with variables etc. that are beyond control of the driver.
If the system had performed as promised, there would have not been a roll over. But then again i don't expect you to understand, your not of an engineering mindset.
If the system had performed as promised, there would have not been a roll over. But then again i don't expect you to understand, your not of an engineering mindset.
You don't have to be an engineer to understand the difference between scientific and objective testing mthods where variables are held to a minimum (or eliminated) vs. unscientific and non-objective methods with no control over variables that can have a direct affect on testing results.
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What difference would my being an engineer make to you...you are already disagreeing with those who are engineers.
You don't have to be an engineer to understand the difference between scientific and objective testing mthods where variables are held to a minimum (or eliminated) vs. unscientific and non-objective methods with no control over variables that can have a direct affect on testing results.
You don't have to be an engineer to understand the difference between scientific and objective testing mthods where variables are held to a minimum (or eliminated) vs. unscientific and non-objective methods with no control over variables that can have a direct affect on testing results.
BTW, I fail to believe that he was going 180kph. He would have rolled several times if that would have happened.
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Btw, the Merc C-class won 2008 COTY, outpacing the Mondeo and Mazda2. A bit exorbitant for most so make of the prize what you will!
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He should've never been able to get it into that slide to begin with. No one is arguing that only the Toyota would roll hitting that ditch at 60mph sideways.....the arguement is that the ESP shouldn't have let it get that far away to begin with.
No way in hell that was 180kph.
No way in hell that was 180kph.
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BTW, I fail to believe that he was going 180kph. He would have rolled several times if that would have happened.
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