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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 12:46 PM
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"Like Always, Like Never Before" - Saturn's Second Liftoff?

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Saturn's Second Liftoff?
The GM unit has had a well-deserved reputation for bland and boring cars. A slate of new offerings may change that


If any auto brand has made consumers feel like the naive customer who keeps going back to the neighborhood bar that promises "free beer tomorrow," it's Saturn. For years, General Motors has been promising that it would finally have some good cars to sell and for years people have been disappointed. Advertisement

This time, the company swears, it will be different. And this time it could be right.

That's because at the usually sleepy annual New York Auto Show, which opens at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in New York City to the media on Apr. 12 and to the public on Apr. 14, General Motors (GM ) is planning to unveil some cars that could finally generate some real buzz -- and sales.

CONTINENTAL TOUCH. Those are two things that GM could really use about now. The company plans to roll out the sharply styled Aura family sedan, along with the spacious Outlook crossover sport utility vehicle, and the tight-handling Sky Redline performance roadster. It also will show a concept model a smaller SUV, one that could replace the current Saturn Vue in a few years.

One of the reasons why these new models could work is that GM's Vice-Chairman Robert A. "Bob" Lutz has splashed a heavy dose of European design on the new Saturns in a play to give them the kind of sporty look that European cars like Audis, Saabs and, more appropriately, GM's Opel division cars wear.

The new models were conceived in GM's design studio under former Hummer stylist Clay Dean, who is now GM's design director for small and midsize cars. Dean says he had some designers from GM's German Adam Opel AG subsidiary fly to the states to help give the cars the technical look and feel of German engineering.

POWERHOUSE LINEUP. There is something for boy racers, too. The Sky roadster, which is going on sale this week, is built on the same frame as the sporty Pontiac Solstice two-seater. Saturn also will offer Redline editions of most of its models—jazzing up the ride and handling a bit and amping horsepower. The Sky Redline's turbo-charged 2-liter engine boasts 260 hp, vs. 177 hp for the base model Sky. GM Chairman and Chief Executive Officer G. Richard Wagoner Jr. says, "They have a powerhouse lineup coming out."

For Saturn, this is one gigantic do-over. Even when Saturn was successful, its image was the car for people who hate cars. Its big selling point was no-haggle pricing at the dealerships that made buyers, especially women, more comfortable.

When Saturn launched in the early 1990s, the S-series compact had fresh styling and was built in a new factory in Spring Hill, Tenn., that had progressive work rules. GM promised that quality would be better. The whole project was seen as distinctly un-Detroit at a time when the Big Three were reeling from quality problems.

VAN WITH A PLAN. For a time, it worked. But GM let Saturn go almost 10 years without a new model. Internal politics channeled new-car cash into Oldsmobile, which is now defunct. Meanwhile, Saturn was dying on the vine. Says Dean: "People loved the dealer experience, they just didn't have much positive to say about the cars."

GM tried to restart it with the L-series family car in 1999 and the Ion compact after that. But neither worked. During at least one year over the past five, Saturn lost $1 billion on its own, largely due to the fact that L-series bombed so badly that GM had to kill it. That left a car plant in Wilmington, Del., badly underused and it oozed red ink.

Now Saturn is headed upscale. The Outlook is bigger than anything that GM's former entry-level brand has ever offered. When it goes on sale in spring, 2007, it will become Saturn's people hauler. The Relay minivan eventually, and thankfully, goes away. The Aura is bigger, too, and beats the Toyota Camry for interior space.

"BLANK CANVAS." Eventually, Dean says, Saturn and Opel will be joined at the hip. They will jointly develop products, giving GM a North American outlook for its Opel cars. In the past couple of years, Opel has shown signs of life with hits like the Astra compact and Zafira minivan.

Even Saturn critics like the styling and the fact that the new cars have real character. "Saturn has the best chance to capture non-GM buyers," says John Wolkonowicz, analyst with Boston-based Global insight. "The product line is the right thing to do, and all three cars are very nice."

The good thing about Saturn is that it doesn't have the baggage of other GM brands that remain in the O.R. Where Pontiac is seen as cheap or gaudy and Buick stodgy, Saturn has an image for offering good value and an honest experience in the dealer showroom. Says Wagoner: "It's a fairly blank canvas to paint on."

A NEW DEMOGRAPHIC. Marketing may be the tough part. Saturn has to build a new image and raise a hue and cry that its cars are not only new, but faster, sportier, larger and more stylish than they have ever been. They also won't be just for entry-level shoppers.

And the brand will have to do it while spending a lot less on advertising than big Japanese brands like Honda and Toyota. "GM is going to have to spend more," says Peter DeLorenzo, publisher of Autoextremist.com, a Web site that tracks the industry. "Toyota will spend $170 million to market the new Camry. Saturn won't get anywhere near that for the Aura."

Saturn does get a new advertising slogan. The brand will dump "People First" in favor of "Like Always, Like Never Before." That could mean a bigger ad budget, but it will still be tough to break through the marketing noise created by the Japanese and European car buyers Saturn is targeting.

But the new cars give the brand a good chance of coming back. With Saturn's trifecta coming out this year and next, Lutz may finally have given the brand what it needs.
Interesting, pretty much explains why Saturn gets new product instead of other brands.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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Good article.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Here is something that makes no sense to me. Example: The Sky will also be offered as the Redline edition, uping the HP to 260. Now Pontiac is the "Performance Division", so why does the Sostlice GXP also used the same engine and has the same power 260HP. Shouldn't the GXP Solstice offered more the Saturn Redline?

So tell me again why Pontiac is called the "Performance Division"? I believe I missed that memo.

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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NikiVee
So tell me again why Pontiac is called the "Performance Division"? I believe I missed that memo.
Why just because when it comes to engines....

Sky = Solstice
Aura > G6 (not only top model but with the same 3.5L)
Vue > Torrent
Ion RL = G5 GXP

...and GTO production ends soon.

The Grand Prix GXP is the only segment Pontiac out muscles Saturn, and that is only because Saturn doesn't have a W-body car.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 10:19 PM
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Am I right that it said that the sky redline will get 260 hp? That would be a very enjoyable amount of horsepower in a car that light.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Morginie
Am I right that it said that the sky redline will get 260 hp? That would be a very enjoyable amount of horsepower in a car that light.
no kidding.. i don't know what the Redline will weigh.. but the regular Sky has a curb weight of 2860 lbs...

that's 11 lbs per hp

now let's take a LS1 camaro, at 325hp (i know they are underrated but who knows, maybe the Turbo 2.0 is too).. a LS1 Z28 is listed at a curb weight of 3411

that's 10.5 lbs per hp.. pretty close

that Sky Redline will run low 13s at least, no?
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Originally Posted by NikiVee
Here is something that makes no sense to me. Example: The Sky will also be offered as the Redline edition, uping the HP to 260. Now Pontiac is the "Performance Division", so why does the Sostlice GXP also used the same engine and has the same power 260HP. Shouldn't the GXP Solstice offered more the Saturn Redline?

So tell me again why Pontiac is called the "Performance Division"? I believe I missed that memo.
I think maybe they're giving up on Pontiac being the "Performance Division" and letting Saturn do the BMW fighting? I think Saturn just went more "Upscale" then Pontiac...
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I think maybe they're giving up on Pontiac being the "Performance Division" and letting Saturn do the BMW fighting? I think Saturn just went more "Upscale" then Pontiac...
I don't know about Saturn doing the BMW fighting, but I'm starting to believe Pontiac is really on it's way out. If these two things do not happen to Pontiac in the next 2 years, next gen GTO and replacement for GP/Bonneville. Then I believe Pontiac will go the way of Oldsmobile.
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I think "Too" many divisions is really starting to hurt GM. You can't sell people Chevrolets, and then more expensive "Rebadged Chevrolets"... It just doesn't work.

But a big hurrah for Saturn though!!! I really like the Opel flare, I think it will do well here in the United States. I've always wondered why they didn't bring Opel over here to begin with?
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Originally Posted by NikiVee
Here is something that makes no sense to me. Example: The Sky will also be offered as the Redline edition, uping the HP to 260. Now Pontiac is the "Performance Division", so why does the Sostlice GXP also used the same engine and has the same power 260HP. Shouldn't the GXP Solstice offered more the Saturn Redline?

So tell me again why Pontiac is called the "Performance Division"? I believe I missed that memo.
I've kinda wondered too if Olds and/or Pontiac wouldn't be in a better position (s) if not for Saturn. I like what I'm seeing from Saturn, I just can't help but thinking that it would be just as good, if not better, on a core brand than the historically 'different' brand.
Old Apr 14, 2006 | 04:44 PM
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I love that tagline...

It seems they learned their lesson from "Not your Father's Oldsmobile." Its not anyone's anymore... "Like Always. Like Never Before" is worlds better.
Old Apr 14, 2006 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by dream '94 Z28
I've kinda wondered too if Olds and/or Pontiac wouldn't be in a better position (s) if not for Saturn.
Olds' last batch of cars, especially the Intrigue, were actually quite good cars. It was just that the brand was already too damaged by then to recover.

But as previously noted, GM still has too many brands for their dwindling market share. They just don't have the resources to keep all 8 brands fully fed and healthy.
Old Apr 15, 2006 | 12:53 AM
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Personally I'm still a little disappointed the Aurora didn't continue on under another badge... with Saturn failing at the time a little change to the design, a lower no-haggle price, and a Saturn badge on the Aurora might've helped... if nothing else it sure would make this transition into more "upscale" cars a little easier. Or at least let the "performance" brand of GM have a car that size with a V8 at that time.
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Originally Posted by Mikes25thAnnTA
Personally I'm still a little disappointed the Aurora didn't continue on under another badge... with Saturn failing at the time a little change to the design, a lower no-haggle price, and a Saturn badge on the Aurora might've helped... if nothing else it sure would make this transition into more "upscale" cars a little easier. Or at least let the "performance" brand of GM have a car that size with a V8 at that time.
Why didn't they do that?

I'm sure not everyone who bought those cars would have walked over to a differnt GM dealership to buy one but those were two of GMs best products at the time. Hell two of the best products out period.

And like you said Pontiac Buick or Saturn could have used them instead of the stuff that we just got, or still don't have...



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