Last obstacle for El Camino return?
07-29-2004, 12:37 PM
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Last obstacle for El Camino return?
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On one hand, we'd like to see a return of the El Camino (from Holden), on the other hand, how would this hurt jobs here?
On one hand, we'd like to see a return of the El Camino (from Holden), on the other hand, how would this hurt jobs here?
07-29-2004, 02:04 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosins...a01-226471.htm
On one hand, we'd like to see a return of the El Camino (from Holden), on the other hand, how would this hurt jobs here?
On one hand, we'd like to see a return of the El Camino (from Holden), on the other hand, how would this hurt jobs here?
07-29-2004, 02:33 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
Truck tarriffs with Australia are indeed gone... as far as we're concerned.
There's more to the Australian Trade Pack than just bringing pickups to the US. It's in the Aussies hands now. If they approve it, then you will almost certainly see El Caminos here. I predict within 12 months of it's final approval.
As for it affecting jobs, quite simply: It Won't!
The Holden Ute or anything like it is not built or sold in the US, therefore it isn't being produced and there;'s no labor issue here (see Chevy Aveo).
Also, if GM brought the UTE over as a rebadged El Camino, it would almost certainly sell no more than 20,000 per year. Holden probally won't be able to make more than that and the GTO, and their own market, and exports to the middle east, South America, and China. To the union, this is a very, very small quantity.
Why do I predict it would take only 12 months or less after our agreement's ratified to get El Camino's here?
1. It was supposed to be the 1st Holden product shipped here anyway (not the Monaro!).
2. It's fuel tank is forward of the rear axle, so it needed no modification. It even passes future rear end collision standards.
3. It's dirt cheap to produce. Base V6 models go for less than Impalas. You can get an LS1 6 speed Holden UTE for well under $25,000!
4. It would qualify as a truck. This means a different set of safety regulations (easily passed) and the thing counts towards GM's CAFE truck ratings.
5. It's the type of unique "gotta-have" vehicle Bob Lutz spoke of when he 1st came to GM.
There's more to the Australian Trade Pack than just bringing pickups to the US. It's in the Aussies hands now. If they approve it, then you will almost certainly see El Caminos here. I predict within 12 months of it's final approval.
As for it affecting jobs, quite simply: It Won't!
The Holden Ute or anything like it is not built or sold in the US, therefore it isn't being produced and there;'s no labor issue here (see Chevy Aveo).
Also, if GM brought the UTE over as a rebadged El Camino, it would almost certainly sell no more than 20,000 per year. Holden probally won't be able to make more than that and the GTO, and their own market, and exports to the middle east, South America, and China. To the union, this is a very, very small quantity.
Why do I predict it would take only 12 months or less after our agreement's ratified to get El Camino's here?
1. It was supposed to be the 1st Holden product shipped here anyway (not the Monaro!).
2. It's fuel tank is forward of the rear axle, so it needed no modification. It even passes future rear end collision standards.
3. It's dirt cheap to produce. Base V6 models go for less than Impalas. You can get an LS1 6 speed Holden UTE for well under $25,000!
4. It would qualify as a truck. This means a different set of safety regulations (easily passed) and the thing counts towards GM's CAFE truck ratings.
5. It's the type of unique "gotta-have" vehicle Bob Lutz spoke of when he 1st came to GM.
07-29-2004, 04:13 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
I am a big fan of the Elcamino, back in the 80s dad had a '85 model that was ultra nice. I hope we see the Holden Ute over here as a Chevy. But I wonder how the market will respond to the Ute. Elcaminos were very popular in the late 70s early 80s, but there sales really dropped by the late 80s and then it was killed in somewhere between '87-'88
07-29-2004, 04:26 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
how well would they do...DODGE MAGNUM HAVE ANY CLUE!!!
Its diffent its fast and it has a truck bed..nothing like it on the road..just like the station wagon Magnum..
something diffrent..
Its diffent its fast and it has a truck bed..nothing like it on the road..just like the station wagon Magnum..
something diffrent..
07-29-2004, 05:37 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
Originally Posted by guionM
Truck tarriffs with Australia are indeed gone... as far as we're concerned.
There's more to the Australian Trade Pack than just bringing pickups to the US. It's in the Aussies hands now. If they approve it, then you will almost certainly see El Caminos here. I predict within 12 months of it's final approval.
As for it affecting jobs, quite simply: It Won't!
The Holden Ute or anything like it is not built or sold in the US, therefore it isn't being produced and there;'s no labor issue here (see Chevy Aveo).
Also, if GM brought the UTE over as a rebadged El Camino, it would almost certainly sell no more than 20,000 per year. Holden probally won't be able to make more than that and the GTO, and their own market, and exports to the middle east, South America, and China. To the union, this is a very, very small quantity.
Why do I predict it would take only 12 months or less after our agreement's ratified to get El Camino's here?
1. It was supposed to be the 1st Holden product shipped here anyway (not the Monaro!).
2. It's fuel tank is forward of the rear axle, so it needed no modification. It even passes future rear end collision standards.
3. It's dirt cheap to produce. Base V6 models go for less than Impalas. You can get an LS1 6 speed Holden UTE for well under $25,000!
4. It would qualify as a truck. This means a different set of safety regulations (easily passed) and the thing counts towards GM's CAFE truck ratings.
5. It's the type of unique "gotta-have" vehicle Bob Lutz spoke of when he 1st came to GM.
There's more to the Australian Trade Pack than just bringing pickups to the US. It's in the Aussies hands now. If they approve it, then you will almost certainly see El Caminos here. I predict within 12 months of it's final approval.
As for it affecting jobs, quite simply: It Won't!
The Holden Ute or anything like it is not built or sold in the US, therefore it isn't being produced and there;'s no labor issue here (see Chevy Aveo).
Also, if GM brought the UTE over as a rebadged El Camino, it would almost certainly sell no more than 20,000 per year. Holden probally won't be able to make more than that and the GTO, and their own market, and exports to the middle east, South America, and China. To the union, this is a very, very small quantity.
Why do I predict it would take only 12 months or less after our agreement's ratified to get El Camino's here?
1. It was supposed to be the 1st Holden product shipped here anyway (not the Monaro!).
2. It's fuel tank is forward of the rear axle, so it needed no modification. It even passes future rear end collision standards.
3. It's dirt cheap to produce. Base V6 models go for less than Impalas. You can get an LS1 6 speed Holden UTE for well under $25,000!
4. It would qualify as a truck. This means a different set of safety regulations (easily passed) and the thing counts towards GM's CAFE truck ratings.
5. It's the type of unique "gotta-have" vehicle Bob Lutz spoke of when he 1st came to GM.
geez,Id take a LS-1 el camino SS for that price.Chevy needs this car to battle the new stang.
07-29-2004, 06:08 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
Originally Posted by guionM
Truck tarriffs with Australia are indeed gone... as far as we're concerned.
There's more to the Australian Trade Pack than just bringing pickups to the US. It's in the Aussies hands now. If they approve it, then you will almost certainly see El Caminos here. I predict within 12 months of it's final approval.
As for it affecting jobs, quite simply: It Won't!
There's more to the Australian Trade Pack than just bringing pickups to the US. It's in the Aussies hands now. If they approve it, then you will almost certainly see El Caminos here. I predict within 12 months of it's final approval.
As for it affecting jobs, quite simply: It Won't!
Its a fairly one sided deal and I don't see that the Labour Party (Our version of the Democrats) will ok this deal.
07-29-2004, 06:20 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
i thought they already came out with an el-camino??!!
http://www.chevrolet.com/ssr/images/.../wall1_800.jpg
http://www.chevrolet.com/ssr/images/.../wall1_800.jpg
07-29-2004, 06:42 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
Originally Posted by onefastz28
i thought they already came out with an el-camino??!!
http://www.chevrolet.com/ssr/images/.../wall1_800.jpg
http://www.chevrolet.com/ssr/images/.../wall1_800.jpg
Very not cool.
07-30-2004, 12:23 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
Originally Posted by onefastz28
i thought they already came out with an el-camino??!!
http://www.chevrolet.com/ssr/images/.../wall1_800.jpg
http://www.chevrolet.com/ssr/images/.../wall1_800.jpg
07-30-2004, 12:30 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
Originally Posted by AnthonyHSV
It has yet to passed through our parliament. The opposition party is getting a lot pressure to veto the trade deal, because as a free trade deal, it aint that good for Australia. US has keep heavy tarriffs against agriculture to protect your innefficient farmers. (Check out your sugar industry) We aint a manufacturing country so any manufactured goods comming into US is going to be fairly minimal. Any areas of manufacturing where Australia is world class in...like "high speed ferries" you guys have banned there import.
Its a fairly one sided deal and I don't see that the Labour Party (Our version of the Democrats) will ok this deal.
Its a fairly one sided deal and I don't see that the Labour Party (Our version of the Democrats) will ok this deal.
Putting politics aside, on one hand I can completely understand the feelings regarding the trade agreement (having spent plenty of time "down under"). We protect our agriculture like a hawk... even to the point of paranoia.
But on the other hand, we MUST have those utes for our El Caminos... d*mmnit!!
08-01-2004, 10:48 PM
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Re: Last obstacle for El Camino return?
Originally Posted by guionM
It's not so much our farmers are inefficient as it is a subsidized mess. People paid not to grow things in order to keep prices up?
Putting politics aside, on one hand I can completely understand the feelings regarding the trade agreement (having spent plenty of time "down under"). We protect our agriculture like a hawk... even to the point of paranoia.
But on the other hand, we MUST have those utes for our El Caminos... d*mmnit!!
Putting politics aside, on one hand I can completely understand the feelings regarding the trade agreement (having spent plenty of time "down under"). We protect our agriculture like a hawk... even to the point of paranoia.
But on the other hand, we MUST have those utes for our El Caminos... d*mmnit!!
Last edited by AnthonyHSV; 08-01-2004 at 11:38 PM.