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Noooooo!
And no, I'm not a "drag racing is the only thing that matters" kind of guy. You'll note that we are, in this context, talking about acceleration performance.
Charger R/T is big and heavy, and therefore relatively slow. That's all there is to it. Heck, even the 425hp SRT8 doesn't qualify for "very, very quick".
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15.00 or slower: not quick
14.x: somewhat quick
13.x: quick
12.x: very quick
11.x: very, very quick
10.99 or faster: stupid fast
The point of my comment wasn't about what we need -- simply that Guy is usually very clear about what he says, and I think that if we're calling 14-second cars "very, very quick", then the waters have been muddied.
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Simply because there are some cars today that accelerate quick enough to defy the theory of E=MC2, doesn't change the definition of very quick.
Once you get your head out of the drag strips and put down enthusiasts car rags long enough, most all the new cars on the road take 16 seconds to run a quarter. Take off half a second for the more quicker rides.
In the REAL world, meaning outside of a site dominated by LS1 owners, a 15 second quarter is quick. Using the standardized yardstick of Car & Driver, the Redline does it in 14.7 (6.1 0-60). Qualifies it as a quick ride.
Keeping the same standard, the Dodge Charger R/T does the quarter in 14.2 (5.6 0-60). Quicker than the Ion (sorry slt.... the Dodge driver either wasn't trying or his computer was restricting the engine, like all Hemis do till about 2000 miles). Any car that does the quarter over 100 mph is quick.....period. LT1 Camaros did that. Charger R/T does it at 101.
When we get to 14 flat and below, we're in very quick territory. Our LS1 Camaros and Firebirds fall in that territory. 13.7. 5.3 to 60.
When you get around 13 seconds, you are in rareified air where you either have money or start tweaking stuff. CTSv runs 13.1 (4.7 to 60). SRT 300s and Chargers run around here. Rule of thumb: Anything which under the same yardstick in the same stock trim that outruns an LS1 F-body is pretty frigging quick, bordering on (to steal a term) Stupid-Fast. 13 seconds is half a second quicker. That more than qualifies.
The number of people here who drive a 12 second car probally aren't enough (even on a site like this) to hold a decent card game, so one can only imagine how rare it is in the general public. We're now in Z06-Viper-Ford GT territory.
My point here hits on what alot of people including myself have been saying for some time. The capability of SOME of the performance cars today (horsepower figures & acceleration times) has thrown off whack any realistic sense of what quick and fast really is to alot of people, especially at enthusiasts sites. People see the numbers from an $80,000 Z06 Corvette with a hand built engine and a production volume as low as 5 pound diamonds, and they end up so mentally whacked that they use it as a yardstick to measure a mass produced $25,000 Mustang. No s*it. It actually happened! Then there was the guy who was dissappointed that the vehicle we were talking about had "only" 400 horsepower.... though it's doubtful he's ever driven anything with 400 horsepower.
Another point, which I haven't mentioned because I was flabberghasted enough already, is that a 14 second Corvette is alot different than a 14 second Cobalt or Miata or even a 14 second Crown Victoria. In the Corvette that's a slow number. In the Cobalt, it's quick. In the Crown Victoria, it's almost a revelation, and in the Miata, you'll find yourself calling God alot. Yet, running a 14 second quarter on a Kawasaki Ninja is moving at snails-pace.
Everything is relative. Numbers are meaningless unless it's used in context.
Again, we aren't talking about a car at the drag strip with x-thousand-dollars in mods or someone's rich-guy toys. We're talking about cars that roll off the assembly line that an automaker spent millions or even billions to make. Complete with all the emissions, safety, and comfort items and still have a car that runs as quick and fast as it does.... that real people can walk off the street into the showroom & buy.
Once you get your head out of the drag strips and put down enthusiasts car rags long enough, most all the new cars on the road take 16 seconds to run a quarter. Take off half a second for the more quicker rides.
In the REAL world, meaning outside of a site dominated by LS1 owners, a 15 second quarter is quick. Using the standardized yardstick of Car & Driver, the Redline does it in 14.7 (6.1 0-60). Qualifies it as a quick ride.
Keeping the same standard, the Dodge Charger R/T does the quarter in 14.2 (5.6 0-60). Quicker than the Ion (sorry slt.... the Dodge driver either wasn't trying or his computer was restricting the engine, like all Hemis do till about 2000 miles). Any car that does the quarter over 100 mph is quick.....period. LT1 Camaros did that. Charger R/T does it at 101.
When we get to 14 flat and below, we're in very quick territory. Our LS1 Camaros and Firebirds fall in that territory. 13.7. 5.3 to 60.
When you get around 13 seconds, you are in rareified air where you either have money or start tweaking stuff. CTSv runs 13.1 (4.7 to 60). SRT 300s and Chargers run around here. Rule of thumb: Anything which under the same yardstick in the same stock trim that outruns an LS1 F-body is pretty frigging quick, bordering on (to steal a term) Stupid-Fast. 13 seconds is half a second quicker. That more than qualifies.
The number of people here who drive a 12 second car probally aren't enough (even on a site like this) to hold a decent card game, so one can only imagine how rare it is in the general public. We're now in Z06-Viper-Ford GT territory.
My point here hits on what alot of people including myself have been saying for some time. The capability of SOME of the performance cars today (horsepower figures & acceleration times) has thrown off whack any realistic sense of what quick and fast really is to alot of people, especially at enthusiasts sites. People see the numbers from an $80,000 Z06 Corvette with a hand built engine and a production volume as low as 5 pound diamonds, and they end up so mentally whacked that they use it as a yardstick to measure a mass produced $25,000 Mustang. No s*it. It actually happened! Then there was the guy who was dissappointed that the vehicle we were talking about had "only" 400 horsepower.... though it's doubtful he's ever driven anything with 400 horsepower.
Another point, which I haven't mentioned because I was flabberghasted enough already, is that a 14 second Corvette is alot different than a 14 second Cobalt or Miata or even a 14 second Crown Victoria. In the Corvette that's a slow number. In the Cobalt, it's quick. In the Crown Victoria, it's almost a revelation, and in the Miata, you'll find yourself calling God alot. Yet, running a 14 second quarter on a Kawasaki Ninja is moving at snails-pace.
Everything is relative. Numbers are meaningless unless it's used in context.
Again, we aren't talking about a car at the drag strip with x-thousand-dollars in mods or someone's rich-guy toys. We're talking about cars that roll off the assembly line that an automaker spent millions or even billions to make. Complete with all the emissions, safety, and comfort items and still have a car that runs as quick and fast as it does.... that real people can walk off the street into the showroom & buy.
Last edited by guionM; Mar 1, 2007 at 05:28 PM.
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