From here: http://www.drive.com.au/news/article...X0F1TYQAD.html

 

Better start bringing a little of the then back. And its not only people of those ages saying those things about the scoops and cues.

These guys just need a clue. How about making it an option people??

 

.....that'll sell cars.....get over it....thanks @$$h0l3......

This is EXACTLY why GM is in the position it is today.....the arrogance of some of these idiots never ceases to disappoint me.........

Dust off a legendary name....that was as much as forgotten in the early 70's....and don't give it one of the most recognizable styling cues is was ALWAYS known for and then tell the people who bought and made famous the original cars......to get over it........smart......real smart.....pi$$ off your own customer base..just to rationalize a stop gap car made neccesary by your own pathetic management of product planning and lack of foresight.......

Some people might buy whatever GM throws down their throats....but not me.........

 

Doug, the GTO currently has no customer base to **** off. By the time it comes out, it wouldn't have been made in 30 years! (32 if you discount the Ventura & the 73 LeMans versions). For all intents & purposes, it's a new car recalling an old spirit, not an old car recalling old design cues.

Jim Wagners, who basically invented the GTO has said this, not someone who has elavated GTO some type of mystical status. Wagners is to GTO is what Zora Arkus-Dontov is to Corvette, and even to a large extent, what RP currently is to Camaro.

GTO as it was in the 60s would by right be a 3800 V6 version of the FWD Grand Am today. The fact that the GTO is a fast looking, V8 powered, never faster, RWD car that can run with and have the quality of other coupes costing at least $15,000 makes it even better than the original IMHO.

As I said before, if the worse thing that anyone can say about GTO is it doesn't have hood scoops (which will come later ) and it doesn't cave in to that stupid retro craze (which Pontiac has disavowed, & GTO's former creator has backed up) then I think it's safe to say the GTO is right on the money.

There was an outcry when the '68s came out as well. After it sold extremely well and everyone saw it performed better than before, seems all the outcry stopped. I suspect this GTO will be the same.

 

....always been the use of the name GTO.

GM knew exactly what they were doing by whoring out this nameplate on this stop-gap car.....they could have called it anything...but chose to invoke the legend of the GTO to sell a few more cars and get some free press.....

Would they have sold a measly 18k units if it had been called a Monaro? Sure they would have...it's seems to be a great car with a lot to offer.....what are they scared of?

It's this corporate attitude that they will slap a nameplate........especially a legendary one....on anything to sell a few more cars.........hang on to your hats if/when this happens to the 5th gen Camaro.........

Does the Monaro deserve the GTO name plate? In my opinion, no.......I would have prefered they wait until a domestic model was built....call me old school I guess. What was wrong with the Monaro name anyway?

As much as people argue that the formula for the GTO was intact on the Monaro...to which I don't really disagree......the people who wanted Pontiac to simply have a visual tie to it's name have just as much a right to argue.......but now we get told to get over it by some arrogant idiot at GM...nice, real nice......makes me want to stay a GM guy.......not.

At at least $40k after dealer greed....who the heck does this moron thinks will be the market for this car?? The exact same people he tells to get over it.......what a genius......

While some might detest the retro theme of the new Mustang...at least Ford has a clue as to what their customer base wants and gives it to them.....I'll predict that the new Mustang will make most people forget about the Camaro by the time it comes back..........

 

its all about business...

i read somewhere that GM wants to develop global cars, so they can not do it retro because it might not sell as a GTO overseas , the same will probably happen with the next platform, especially if its on the sigma-type chasis.

see its happening already - UK

 

I'd say if you ever browsed the GTO enthusiast's web sites...you'd be surprised to see that it still has quite a large base indeed......

Weak rationalization of an emergency, imported model introduction is no way to run a car company.........

 

Yes he invented the GTO. He took a mid sized Sedan that was already in the line up and threw in a more powerful motor, some badging, and fake hood scoops. The GTO itself was no styling masterpiece. It was a damn Lemans!!!

 

Id buy one if I had the money. I dont care where it was made, or what it was called there. I have a strong feeling that this car will sell like hotcakes to people with the same thinking I have. Hood scoops are stupid. If I was going to pay for a $40k car, I want it to be nice and understated. I dont want gimmicks. The car has everything in the world going for it. I didnt grow up in the GTO era, so I dont really care that it took the name. For the money, I dont know of a car I would rather have. And who freaking cares what some jack@ss up in the ranks at GM said. Maybe his wife didnt feel "in the mood" that morning and he was a little frustrated. Or maybe he was sick of people looking past what a great car this was, and pointing out silly crap like the lack of hoodscoops.

If you dont agree, dont buy it, it wont hurt them any. Im sure they will sell them all without your help.

 

can anyone even listen to wangers without being distracted by the apparently dead animal strapped to his head,hey jim,you're bald,GET OVER IT!!!he must have had that get it over attitude when he slapped shelby stripes on a mustang II and called it a cobra.

 

So call it what it is then...a Monaro! Why do people insist on it being perfectly fine to use the legend of the GTO to sell a car with no visual (or other) linkage to it's birthname? Your logic allows the use of any name on any car..no matter the configuation.......anyone want a Camaro truck?

Many have stated that they would buy it no matter the name...fine go ahead! I don't doubt that this is a great car...it's just NOT a Pontiac GTO...

You may not get it but some of us do......some of us give a damn about car models that earned their namesake and the legend that followed....if you don't then it's your loss......

 

It also says that loyalist will not like it becuase the original GTO had hood scoops, dual exhaust and tachs on the bonnet. I can see the hood scoop if thats important to you, not every GTO had hood tachs, as a matter of fact, very few did, and i heard the new GTO has "true" dual exhaust that exit on the same side (which would make it the only other car in GM's lineup along with the vette w/ true dual exhaust). They said they couldn't make it exit on both sides because of the gas tank position. I think GM has left off the hood scoops to try to keep costs down, and i'm sure if you can afford the new GTO, you can afford one of the dozens of aftermarkets that will be coming out. I'm sure you'll see more options on the 2005 models.

I just can't understand how so many people who were crying about no more GM RWD performance cars are still whining??

 

Because this is NOT what we're talking (not crying, thank you very much) about!

How many times does it take for this to sink in??

We are NOT complaining about getting the Monaro (I think I'll start refusing to even call it a GTO).....it seems to be a great car!

But what we object to is the use of a legendary namesake to sell a car with no other linkage to it......period.

 

So tell us why its not worthy of the name GTO. Maybe we should make wire wheel hub caps an option??? Maybe butcher the suspension so it can't handle?? Or is it just because it doesn't have a hood scoop?? Should it be a single scoop like a 65, or dual scoops like a 69??

I think Ferrari says the same thing about GM using the GTO name.

OBTW, if ya don't use the name, you lose the name. I'm not sure of the time limit GM had, but its aso better than a Mitsubishi GTO.

The equivelant today would be a Grand Am with that drivetrain, and I think the Monero is a much better platform...don't you??

 

GM stopped using he GTO name because the name didn't sell. If it continued to sell, you would be driving the fwd gra am GTO. They didn't retire the name plate to immortalize it, just look at a 73 or 74 GTO