If Z/28 had scoop/wheels...would you have bought SS?
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Nope, those 2 are incorrect. The difference from LS1 Z to LT1 Z is the same but for some reason, I do think that I can spot an LT1 Z over a V6 easier over an LS1.................don't know why.
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Originally posted by IZ28
Black headlight pockets and driving lights.
Theres 2 for the 93-97 cars.
Black headlight pockets and driving lights.
Theres 2 for the 93-97 cars.That is wrong.
ALL 93-97 Camaros had black headlight pockets, and the foglamps (if that is what you mean by 'driving lights' were optional on both the base model and the Z28.
If you mean Daytime Running Light by 'Driving Lights', then they became standard on all Camaros in 1997, and have been ever since. They were nmot available on Camaro prior to 1997.
So, again, tell me one thing that distingishes a 93-97 Z28 from a V6 that the 98+ does not have.
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WOW, I can't believe it. There is even less distinction in the entire 4th Gen between the low models and the Z28 than I thought. That is just pathetic.
As I said, then the Z28 should have had SS-type differences before the SS came along. The SS just made the Z28 look stupid more over when it got the upgrades and looks.
As I said, then the Z28 should have had SS-type differences before the SS came along. The SS just made the Z28 look stupid more over when it got the upgrades and looks.
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Originally posted by IZ28
WOW, I can't believe it. There is even less distinction in the entire 4th Gen between the low models and the Z28 than I thought. That is just pathetic.
As I said, then the Z28 should have had SS-type differences before the SS came along. The SS just made the Z28 look stupid more over when it got the upgrades and looks.
WOW, I can't believe it. There is even less distinction in the entire 4th Gen between the low models and the Z28 than I thought. That is just pathetic.
As I said, then the Z28 should have had SS-type differences before the SS came along. The SS just made the Z28 look stupid more over when it got the upgrades and looks.
I think their formula of making the V6's look like the V8's late in the production run of the 3rd Gen was a great idea.
I think it backfired on them by trying the same move out of the gate with the 4th Gen....
But, at least with the 3rd Gen, there were still some differences....
(And this is coming from me, a 4th Gen fan!
(Though I owned and love 3rd Gen's as well...))
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
I do agree however, that the Z28 should have looked at least somewhat different from the V6's from the beginning, like the last 3rd gens did with the spoiler / hood buldges, etc... The SS proably should have been the Z28, but then a lot of people didn't want to pay the extra for that stuff and still wanted the V8, so it's a big catch 22.
I do agree however, that the Z28 should have looked at least somewhat different from the V6's from the beginning, like the last 3rd gens did with the spoiler / hood buldges, etc... The SS proably should have been the Z28, but then a lot of people didn't want to pay the extra for that stuff and still wanted the V8, so it's a big catch 22.
Maybe it would have been more appropriate for the Z/28 to have had standard 17' wheels, hood scoop, etc.....and have Chevy make another Camaro model as the "base V8" model.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
You make a valid point here Darth.
Maybe it would have been more appropriate for the Z/28 to have had standard 17' wheels, hood scoop, etc.....and have Chevy make another Camaro model as the "base V8" model.
You make a valid point here Darth.
Maybe it would have been more appropriate for the Z/28 to have had standard 17' wheels, hood scoop, etc.....and have Chevy make another Camaro model as the "base V8" model.
Basically, Z28 was the "Formula" of the Camaro line, while SS was the "Trans Am"...
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
Well, in essensce, that is what they did... the Z28 became the "V8 base model" , and the SS had the extra stuff...
Basically, Z28 was the "Formula" of the Camaro line, while SS was the "Trans Am"...
Well, in essensce, that is what they did... the Z28 became the "V8 base model" , and the SS had the extra stuff...
Basically, Z28 was the "Formula" of the Camaro line, while SS was the "Trans Am"...
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Re: hmmm....
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If the Z/28 had a hoodscoop, 17" wheels, and taller spoiler I would have bought a Camaro.
If the Z/28 had a hoodscoop, 17" wheels, and taller spoiler I would have bought a Camaro.
are you serious or are you kidding? if youre not kidding you mean you bought the stang over the camaro cause of the hood scoop, wheels, and spoiler
not flaming . just doesnt make sense to me.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
Well, except.... you could still get the good stuff on the Formula like WS6 package.
Well, except.... you could still get the good stuff on the Formula like WS6 package.
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Originally posted by IZ28
WOW, I can't believe it. There is even less distinction in the entire 4th Gen between the low models and the Z28 than I thought. That is just pathetic.
WOW, I can't believe it. There is even less distinction in the entire 4th Gen between the low models and the Z28 than I thought. That is just pathetic.
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Originally posted by Z28Wilson
FWIW people have said here many times that the base V6 car has to be desireable so that it can drive sales. That's obviously what Chevy was trying to do, by closely relating V6 and V8 cars people could buy the V6 and not look "left out." Guess they will be taking a different approach next time.
FWIW people have said here many times that the base V6 car has to be desireable so that it can drive sales. That's obviously what Chevy was trying to do, by closely relating V6 and V8 cars people could buy the V6 and not look "left out." Guess they will be taking a different approach next time.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
I see what you are trying to say. But if the base model does not appear desirable...pulling down the more specialized Z/28 to look like it, is not a good strategy.
I see what you are trying to say. But if the base model does not appear desirable...pulling down the more specialized Z/28 to look like it, is not a good strategy.
This worked with the 3rd Gens, because the V6's had a look, and the V8's had a look, and then the V6's addopted the V8 look.
With the 4th gen, they looked the same from the get-go, and then the perception was that the V8 looked like a V6 instead of the intended other way around...
If the V6 had a different look from the beginning, then in 97 or something, they gave the alternate V8 look to the V6's it might have given the desired effect, but that was impossible, since they tried to basically skip a step and just have the V6 share the V8 look from the beginning...
:My head is spinning right now.. getting a little dizzy:
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
That's just it.... the idea wasn't to pull down the Z28 to look like the V6, but to make the V6 look like the Z28.
This worked with the 3rd Gens, because the V6's had a look, and the V8's had a look, and then the V6's addopted the V8 look.
That's just it.... the idea wasn't to pull down the Z28 to look like the V6, but to make the V6 look like the Z28.
This worked with the 3rd Gens, because the V6's had a look, and the V8's had a look, and then the V6's addopted the V8 look.
In the 4th gens there was NO distiction between V6 and Z/28, other than the tacky looking black roof and chintzy emblems.
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Originally posted by Z284ever
Yeah, I know. But my point is that in the 3rd gen the base car was "pulled up" to more resemble a Z/28 or IROC, (eventough the top cars still looked retained alittle more special look).
In the 4th gens there was NO distiction between V6 and Z/28, other than the tacky looking black roof and chintzy emlems.
Yeah, I know. But my point is that in the 3rd gen the base car was "pulled up" to more resemble a Z/28 or IROC, (eventough the top cars still looked retained alittle more special look).
In the 4th gens there was NO distiction between V6 and Z/28, other than the tacky looking black roof and chintzy emlems.
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Originally posted by Darth Xed
That's just it.... the idea wasn't to pull down the Z28 to look like the V6, but to make the V6 look like the Z28.
This worked with the 3rd Gens, because the V6's had a look, and the V8's had a look, and then the V6's addopted the V8 look.
With the 4th gen, they looked the same from the get-go, and then the perception was that the V8 looked like a V6 instead of the intended other way around...
If the V6 had a different look from the beginning, then in 97 or something, they gave the alternate V8 look to the V6's it might have given the desired effect, but that was impossible, since they tried to basically skip a step and just have the V6 share the V8 look from the beginning...
:My head is spinning right now.. getting a little dizzy:
That's just it.... the idea wasn't to pull down the Z28 to look like the V6, but to make the V6 look like the Z28.
This worked with the 3rd Gens, because the V6's had a look, and the V8's had a look, and then the V6's addopted the V8 look.
With the 4th gen, they looked the same from the get-go, and then the perception was that the V8 looked like a V6 instead of the intended other way around...
If the V6 had a different look from the beginning, then in 97 or something, they gave the alternate V8 look to the V6's it might have given the desired effect, but that was impossible, since they tried to basically skip a step and just have the V6 share the V8 look from the beginning...
:My head is spinning right now.. getting a little dizzy:
..and for people that liked the LT1 front and wanted a V8 they couldve had like a formula package(like an RS/Z28)... but for the V6 owners that wanted the ls1 front, they would be outta luck... if it were done like that, then the SS would have been justifed to a certain extent
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