If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by Big Als Z
We all know that everyone will buy a Mustang cause it sparks something or whatever bs they want to come up with...
Again buddy, when a car is selling 150-200k units a year, has a return buyer rating of nearly 50%, and maintains popularity that is almost cult-like for decades... it just CAN'T be that bad of a car.
Whatever comes from the "Chevy Coupe" or next Camaro, I HOPE it has the pull to my heartstrings that the original Camaro did. IMO, Camaro is now a fixed recipe consisting of performance, style, and economics that should NOT be changed unless the name changes too. If it don't scream "Camaro" to me from across a parking lot - GM has failed.
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by ProudPony
My assumption there was that Z284ever's comment was implicating that someone was definitely in the market for a pony car in the near future (like 1 year window). If they KNOW they want a pony car, 2 drs, 4 seats, V8, RWD, Manual, and LOW COST - then they should have an obvious decision in front of them... a decision that will bolster the odds of Camaro coming back in competitive form provided GM gets the message that "another one crossed the street".
It isn't so much that I'm brand loyal... which I am... its the fact that I don't appreciate a service department that doesn't appreciate their customers.
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by jg95z28
It isn't so much that I'm brand loyal... which I am... its the fact that I don't appreciate a service department that doesn't appreciate their customers.
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by jg95z28
As much as I love Camaros, the new Mustang is a fabulous looking car and I would strongly consider it if it were not for the fact that I cannot stand my local Ford dealer. It's not the sales guys or front office I have a problem with. It's the guys running the service end of the dealership. (My local Chevy/Cadillac dealer is actually owned by the same dealership group and I absolutely love their service department.) Because they jerked me around on 3 out of 4 visits with my kid's 96 Mustang GT, I will not even consider the 2005 Mustang.
It isn't so much that I'm brand loyal... which I am... its the fact that I don't appreciate a service department that doesn't appreciate their customers.
It isn't so much that I'm brand loyal... which I am... its the fact that I don't appreciate a service department that doesn't appreciate their customers.
First, have you contacted anybody at the DSO office and complained? That usually gets feathers ruffle REAL FAST at a dealership... it's like going to the president to complain about dirty bathrooms. Dealers despise a call from the DSO with a report of non-satisfaction.
Secondly, what about a different dealer? There are at least a dozen dealers within 20 miles of you - many are SVT dealers, and they are KNOWN to have excellent service, whether you own an SVT product and get the SVT treatment or not.
Walnut Creek Ford
Broadway Ford
Albany Ford
Melrose Ford
Michael Stead Ford
The Ford Store
There's 6 within 10 miles of central Lafayette! One is full-blown SVT dealer.
Cripes dude, you have no less than 18 Ford dealerships within 25 miles of Lafayette!!! You are in a Ford hot-bed!
I'd think the pressure to have good service would be huge there...
At any rate, if nothing more than to cause a roucus, I'd shoot a note to the DSO, and forward a copy to Ford's Complaint Center in Dearborn. You WILL get a response. Maybe no money back or anything like that since it's been a while, but you WILL get a response!
It's a shame too - for ALL carmakers - that chitty sales reps and service personnel can inadvertantly run-off prospective future sales and business like they do. All carmakers have bad dealerships somewhere, it's not just a Ford or GM thing. I know guionM has commented about the deal his sister got at a Ford dealer, and now you state almost the same thing. Hopefully under Bill Ford for the last year or two, things are starting to change out in Cally's Ford dealerships... they actually do make a pretty decent car but it doesn't matter if nobody wants to take a bunch of sh1+ to drive it or service it.
Your DSO code is 72 for San Jose. That should be the closest office. (You can look at the door sticker on your kid's GT and see if it was originally ordered/delivered as a local car this way... you should have a 72 under the DSO section of the sticker if it is a local car. If there are 4 additional digits behind the 72 (like 72-5432) then it was a special order from the 72 district, and the last 4 digits of the order form are 5432 - cool eh? You can likely get a copy of the order if you want it. Also, most cop-cars have this extended DSO with the troop number or order number shown there.)
Anyways, DSO code 71 is for L.A. which is to your south a good bit I think.
If you like, I can get you the contact info.
If you really do think the Mustang is a decent car and you have a place/use for it in your life, I 'spect you could find someplace better to buy one than your crappy local dealer... if you wanted to!
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by Z284ever
Yeah, you heard right.
There are still some nimrods within GM that still "don't get" Camaro. What it is. Why it is. Why it needs to be called Camaro. I am assured that the CAW/Camaro name thing is FAR from over also.
As far as I can tell, the most powerful and direct action necessary to convince some of these slow thinkers at GM...that A) a Camaro is needed, B) a Camaro is needed which is in fact a Camaro, C) a Camaro is needed which is called Camaro...is a slam dunk sales success for Mustang. A success so undeniable and powerful, that it shakes the very foundation of those who argue against our Camaro.
So over the next 24 months....talk up the Mustang. Recommend that people go and check it out and urge them to buy one. Heck, go buy one yourself...maybe two if you can afford it.
Big Als Z.....that means you too!
There are still some nimrods within GM that still "don't get" Camaro. What it is. Why it is. Why it needs to be called Camaro. I am assured that the CAW/Camaro name thing is FAR from over also.
As far as I can tell, the most powerful and direct action necessary to convince some of these slow thinkers at GM...that A) a Camaro is needed, B) a Camaro is needed which is in fact a Camaro, C) a Camaro is needed which is called Camaro...is a slam dunk sales success for Mustang. A success so undeniable and powerful, that it shakes the very foundation of those who argue against our Camaro.
So over the next 24 months....talk up the Mustang. Recommend that people go and check it out and urge them to buy one. Heck, go buy one yourself...maybe two if you can afford it.
Big Als Z.....that means you too!
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by Darth Xed
As for retro, I have to worry about it... because no matter who says what about the car not being retro... every picture we have seen that anyone says is remotely like what the Camaro will look like looks like an updated first gen to me.... and a lot of others.
Bottom line is, no one will buy a car to prove a point, they will only buy it if they really want it. The Mustang has nothing to offer for me in a vehicle, therefore I will not buy one and that is the reason I didn't buy one in the first place. I agree that buying a Mustang would likely send the message that Chevy should build a Mustang-like Camaro and if that is the case, Chevy can keep it because I sure as hell don't want that vehicle.
You know, at this point I am so worried about what the Camaro will be like that I have almost completely written it off in favor of a Corvette. That's kinda sad.
Last edited by SNEAKY NEIL; Sep 20, 2004 at 02:41 PM.
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by ProudPony
Can't argue that point in any way.
First, have you contacted anybody at the DSO office and complained? That usually gets feathers ruffle REAL FAST at a dealership... it's like going to the president to complain about dirty bathrooms. Dealers despise a call from the DSO with a report of non-satisfaction.
Secondly, what about a different dealer? There are at least a dozen dealers within 20 miles of you - many are SVT dealers, and they are KNOWN to have excellent service, whether you own an SVT product and get the SVT treatment or not.
Walnut Creek Ford
Broadway Ford
Albany Ford
Melrose Ford
Michael Stead Ford
The Ford Store
There's 6 within 10 miles of central Lafayette! One is full-blown SVT dealer.
Cripes dude, you have no less than 18 Ford dealerships within 25 miles of Lafayette!!! You are in a Ford hot-bed!
First, have you contacted anybody at the DSO office and complained? That usually gets feathers ruffle REAL FAST at a dealership... it's like going to the president to complain about dirty bathrooms. Dealers despise a call from the DSO with a report of non-satisfaction.
Secondly, what about a different dealer? There are at least a dozen dealers within 20 miles of you - many are SVT dealers, and they are KNOWN to have excellent service, whether you own an SVT product and get the SVT treatment or not.
Walnut Creek Ford
Broadway Ford
Albany Ford
Melrose Ford
Michael Stead Ford
The Ford Store
There's 6 within 10 miles of central Lafayette! One is full-blown SVT dealer.
Cripes dude, you have no less than 18 Ford dealerships within 25 miles of Lafayette!!! You are in a Ford hot-bed!
A friend of a friend hooked me up with a high performance shop in Concord called Stock to Performance and I've been taking it there ever since. (The clincher was when I showed up at the shop and there was even a supercharged RV in the driveway. Plus the owner races a Pro Modified T-bird.
) Needless to say, I've found a mechanic who I'm happy with and is American performance car minded. (He's also doing the work on our 67 Camaro project.) My problem is buying a new car and getting it serviced under the factory warranty. (Yeah, I actually worry about those things.
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by ProudPony
Can't argue that point in any way.
First, have you contacted anybody at the DSO office and complained? That usually gets feathers ruffle REAL FAST at a dealership... it's like going to the president to complain about dirty bathrooms. Dealers despise a call from the DSO with a report of non-satisfaction.
Secondly, what about a different dealer? There are at least a dozen dealers within 20 miles of you - many are SVT dealers, and they are KNOWN to have excellent service, whether you own an SVT product and get the SVT treatment or not.
Walnut Creek Ford
Broadway Ford
Albany Ford
Melrose Ford
Michael Stead Ford
The Ford Store
There's 6 within 10 miles of central Lafayette! One is full-blown SVT dealer.
Cripes dude, you have no less than 18 Ford dealerships within 25 miles of Lafayette!!! You are in a Ford hot-bed!
I'd think the pressure to have good service would be huge there...
At any rate, if nothing more than to cause a roucus, I'd shoot a note to the DSO, and forward a copy to Ford's Complaint Center in Dearborn. You WILL get a response. Maybe no money back or anything like that since it's been a while, but you WILL get a response!
It's a shame too - for ALL carmakers - that chitty sales reps and service personnel can inadvertantly run-off prospective future sales and business like they do. All carmakers have bad dealerships somewhere, it's not just a Ford or GM thing. I know guionM has commented about the deal his sister got at a Ford dealer, and now you state almost the same thing. Hopefully under Bill Ford for the last year or two, things are starting to change out in Cally's Ford dealerships... they actually do make a pretty decent car but it doesn't matter if nobody wants to take a bunch of sh1+ to drive it or service it.
Your DSO code is 72 for San Jose. That should be the closest office. (You can look at the door sticker on your kid's GT and see if it was originally ordered/delivered as a local car this way... you should have a 72 under the DSO section of the sticker if it is a local car. If there are 4 additional digits behind the 72 (like 72-5432) then it was a special order from the 72 district, and the last 4 digits of the order form are 5432 - cool eh? You can likely get a copy of the order if you want it. Also, most cop-cars have this extended DSO with the troop number or order number shown there.)
Anyways, DSO code 71 is for L.A. which is to your south a good bit I think.
If you like, I can get you the contact info.
If you really do think the Mustang is a decent car and you have a place/use for it in your life, I 'spect you could find someplace better to buy one than your crappy local dealer... if you wanted to!
First, have you contacted anybody at the DSO office and complained? That usually gets feathers ruffle REAL FAST at a dealership... it's like going to the president to complain about dirty bathrooms. Dealers despise a call from the DSO with a report of non-satisfaction.
Secondly, what about a different dealer? There are at least a dozen dealers within 20 miles of you - many are SVT dealers, and they are KNOWN to have excellent service, whether you own an SVT product and get the SVT treatment or not.
Walnut Creek Ford
Broadway Ford
Albany Ford
Melrose Ford
Michael Stead Ford
The Ford Store
There's 6 within 10 miles of central Lafayette! One is full-blown SVT dealer.
Cripes dude, you have no less than 18 Ford dealerships within 25 miles of Lafayette!!! You are in a Ford hot-bed!
I'd think the pressure to have good service would be huge there...
At any rate, if nothing more than to cause a roucus, I'd shoot a note to the DSO, and forward a copy to Ford's Complaint Center in Dearborn. You WILL get a response. Maybe no money back or anything like that since it's been a while, but you WILL get a response!
It's a shame too - for ALL carmakers - that chitty sales reps and service personnel can inadvertantly run-off prospective future sales and business like they do. All carmakers have bad dealerships somewhere, it's not just a Ford or GM thing. I know guionM has commented about the deal his sister got at a Ford dealer, and now you state almost the same thing. Hopefully under Bill Ford for the last year or two, things are starting to change out in Cally's Ford dealerships... they actually do make a pretty decent car but it doesn't matter if nobody wants to take a bunch of sh1+ to drive it or service it.
Your DSO code is 72 for San Jose. That should be the closest office. (You can look at the door sticker on your kid's GT and see if it was originally ordered/delivered as a local car this way... you should have a 72 under the DSO section of the sticker if it is a local car. If there are 4 additional digits behind the 72 (like 72-5432) then it was a special order from the 72 district, and the last 4 digits of the order form are 5432 - cool eh? You can likely get a copy of the order if you want it. Also, most cop-cars have this extended DSO with the troop number or order number shown there.)
Anyways, DSO code 71 is for L.A. which is to your south a good bit I think.
If you like, I can get you the contact info.
If you really do think the Mustang is a decent car and you have a place/use for it in your life, I 'spect you could find someplace better to buy one than your crappy local dealer... if you wanted to!
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by SNEAKY NEIL
Wow, looks like someone really wants others to buy a Mustang..................
However, its also a money pit. I've probably put as much $ in repairs than I did in the original purchase price... AND I've only owned it for abput 18 months!
That's not to say Fords are not dependable. I have friends and family that have owned Fords for years and love them. However... they weren't hot rods! Start modifying them and you're bound to have problems.
However, as much fun as my kid's GT is, I'd never trade my 4th gen Camaro for one!
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by Z284ever
Sure, but that would encourage GM to build a new GTO....or perhaps encourage GM to build a Chevy version of GTO.
Mustang is the only car in the universe that can apply pressure to GM so precisely, so directly, so unambiguously....that their only response is to return with a modern day "pony car" from Chevrolet, called Camaro.
Mustang is the only car in the universe that can apply pressure to GM so precisely, so directly, so unambiguously....that their only response is to return with a modern day "pony car" from Chevrolet, called Camaro.
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by blackgloves
NEVER......Im fighting the dark side till I DIE. I HATE MUSTANGS....my .02
Buying a car to make a point is indeed rather silly. However, I think the original poster's premise is valid. I very much hope that GM pulls an awesome Camaro out of its hat in 2007. Competition improves the breed.
FYI...not being attached to the name, it doesn't matter to me what they call it. It matters much more what it looks, feels, and drives like.
Last edited by Bob Cosby; Sep 20, 2004 at 04:16 PM.
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by PaperTarget
Then buy the SVT version, you won't be sorry.
Then again, one shouldn't be forced into the top of the line model of every car to get decent customer service.
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Re: If you love Camaro...go buy a Mustang!
Originally Posted by Big Als Z
I think that if anyone here goes along with this, they should sign a contract that under no circumstance may they be allowed to trade there Mustang in for a Chevy Coupe/Camaro.
OMG....I think that you are actually serious!!!!
Yeah, that contract should also restrict GM dealers from taking any non-GM trade-ins and selling GM cars to Ford owners too.
DEALER: "I've done a check of your history...and it appears that your sister once owned an Escort in 1982. The $40,000 for your new Suburban is not welcomed here. Please move along before we call security."
....oops I just prolonged it.