If I were GM, this is how I'd do a Camaro...
#16
Having seen the Solstice firsthand, it seems a whole lot smaller than the Camaro. Certainly a lot lower and shorter in overall length, but it is kind of wide. Very aggressive and way better in real life than in photographs.
#17
This is what I'm thinking...
Originally posted by Z284ever
Just curious..... which parts from which parts bins?
Just curious..... which parts from which parts bins?
I'd tool up two unique instrument panels one for Solstice/Camaro and the other for Sky/Bengal. They would have a different look, but use the same structure behind them and the same hidden components. I'd also tool up two sets of seats (deep buckets for C/S and bigger cushier seats for sk/bg) and use different coverings for each car.
I'm sure there are some beefy brakes somewhere in the GM empire to borrow. The need for a beefy rear would probably necessitate the use of a C5/C6 rear suspension. Don't know about the front. There are probably lots of miscellanious brackets, fasteners, stampings, etc. that either already exist or could be shared across these 4 cars.
I bet if they were clever, they could get 50% shared parts between these 4 cars or other GM products. They could also all be built at the same plant, possibly with other GM vehicles like GTO. (If they can't make a business case for that, they may as well hang it up).
Throw in a million dollars for some new wheels and tada! The 2007 Camaro - The true sports car you can actually afford.
Last edited by WERM; 12-18-2002 at 06:03 PM.
#18
(originally posted by guionM)
But Corvette has Z06 to separate it's performance edition. I'm guessing you'd want Z28 in a similar position?
But Corvette has Z06 to separate it's performance edition. I'm guessing you'd want Z28 in a similar position?
I'd still keep the T-tops instead of the targa though.
(originally posted by dmaastr)
Werm, your senario sounds like a deal maker. Have you applied for a position at GM? They need people that think along similar lines.
Werm, your senario sounds like a deal maker. Have you applied for a position at GM? They need people that think along similar lines.
#20
Re: This is what I'm thinking...
Originally posted by WERM
I'm sure there are some beefy brakes somewhere in the GM empire to borrow. The need for a beefy rear would probably necessitate the use of a C5/C6 rear suspension. Don't know about the front. There are probably lots of miscellanious brackets, fasteners, stampings, etc. that either already exist or could be shared across these 4 cars.
I'm sure there are some beefy brakes somewhere in the GM empire to borrow. The need for a beefy rear would probably necessitate the use of a C5/C6 rear suspension. Don't know about the front. There are probably lots of miscellanious brackets, fasteners, stampings, etc. that either already exist or could be shared across these 4 cars.
While we're brainstorming this... how economically feasible would it be if Camaro had a more sophisticated suspension than the S/S/B triplets.,
#22
Re: If I were GM, this is how I'd do a Camaro...
Originally posted by WERM
I would pull from the global parts bin as much as possible, developing a small, lightweight RWD platform for Solstice and Camaro, and others.
I would pull from the global parts bin as much as possible, developing a small, lightweight RWD platform for Solstice and Camaro, and others.
What's with all these "Smaller Camaro = Better Camaro" posts lately? Maybe some of you smaller guys would enjoy riding around in an automobile barely distinguishable from the stylish go-kart known to the public as the Miata.
Of Course, if the car weighs only 3,000 lbs, then it won't need 400 hp to get it moving. But why stop at 3,000 lbs? Why not go for 2,000 lbs?
My little Cousin likes to ride around in her motorized Barbie Jeep. Think of how that thing would move with an LS1! It even comes with a pink plastic roll-bar for all of you safety conscious people out there.
C'mon now. Let's not make the Camaro smaller.
#23
Re: Re: If I were GM, this is how I'd do a Camaro...
Originally posted by Pentatonic
No.
What's with all these "Smaller Camaro = Better Camaro" posts lately? Maybe some of you smaller guys would enjoy riding around in an automobile barely distinguishable from the stylish go-kart known to the public as the Miata.
Of Course, if the car weighs only 3,000 lbs, then it won't need 400 hp to get it moving. But why stop at 3,000 lbs? Why not go for 2,000 lbs?
My little Cousin likes to ride around in her motorized Barbie Jeep. Think of how that thing would move with an LS1! It even comes with a pink plastic roll-bar for all of you safety conscious people out there.
C'mon now. Let's not make the Camaro smaller.
No.
What's with all these "Smaller Camaro = Better Camaro" posts lately? Maybe some of you smaller guys would enjoy riding around in an automobile barely distinguishable from the stylish go-kart known to the public as the Miata.
Of Course, if the car weighs only 3,000 lbs, then it won't need 400 hp to get it moving. But why stop at 3,000 lbs? Why not go for 2,000 lbs?
My little Cousin likes to ride around in her motorized Barbie Jeep. Think of how that thing would move with an LS1! It even comes with a pink plastic roll-bar for all of you safety conscious people out there.
C'mon now. Let's not make the Camaro smaller.
Yeah, but going by all your posts, you want the car to be exactly the car you have. You know, the one that failed.
You want big long overhangs and huge doors that hit the other cars in the lot. You want the car heavy and making inefficient use of the space it has. You want the exact car you have sitting in your driveway.
Which is great, you own that car. Be happy with it.
As for the rest of us, we would like the next Camaro to be a BETTER Camaro.
On another note, for someone who wants their car to stay big and roomy, how come you hate the idea of the GTO so much?
#24
M*****g's look so little and not very wide for whatever reason. Camaros have always looked longer and wider. The car needs to be around 184"-187" IMO. No more than that though.
Last edited by IZ28; 12-19-2002 at 03:47 AM.
#26
Solstice has a wider front & rear track than the current Mustang, so a Camaro based on this chassis will have the same stance (hopefully without the excess wasted width) and has the wheels closer to the ends of the car (alot less overhang). Simply lengthing the car between the wheels enough to make it a 2+2 would probally make it as just about as long as a Mustang, wider than a Mustang, lower than a Mustang, so in short, it'd be a pretty mean looking ride if designed right.
(Disclaimer:A reminder to some, we are just spectulating here, so you Solstice haters don't go balistic. Since there is no Camaro news, this is a good way to have something to talk about..... who knows, what we say here may influnce someone looking in. Definately possible!)
(Disclaimer:A reminder to some, we are just spectulating here, so you Solstice haters don't go balistic. Since there is no Camaro news, this is a good way to have something to talk about..... who knows, what we say here may influnce someone looking in. Definately possible!)
#27
Originally posted by guionM
who knows, what we say here may influnce someone looking in. Definately possible!)
who knows, what we say here may influnce someone looking in. Definately possible!)
#28
[QUOTE]Originally posted by guionM"Solstice has a wider front & rear track than the current Mustang, so a Camaro based on this chassis will have the same stance (hopefully without the excess wasted width) and has the wheels closer to the ends of the car (alot less overhang). Simply lengthing the car between the wheels enough to make it a 2+2 would probally make it as just about as long as a Mustang, wider than a Mustang, lower than a Mustang, so in short, it'd be a pretty mean looking ride if designed right."
Sounds good.
"A reminder to some, we are just spectulating here, so you Solstice haters don't go balistic. Since there is no Camaro news, this is a good way to have something to talk about..... who knows, what we say here may influnce someone looking in."
Hopefully.
Sounds good.
"A reminder to some, we are just spectulating here, so you Solstice haters don't go balistic. Since there is no Camaro news, this is a good way to have something to talk about..... who knows, what we say here may influnce someone looking in."
Hopefully.
#29
Originally posted by cmc
Having seen the Solstice firsthand, it seems a whole lot smaller than the Camaro. Certainly a lot lower and shorter in overall length, but it is kind of wide. Very aggressive and way better in real life than in photographs.
Having seen the Solstice firsthand, it seems a whole lot smaller than the Camaro. Certainly a lot lower and shorter in overall length, but it is kind of wide. Very aggressive and way better in real life than in photographs.
Oh, and to MunchE, of course I want a better 5th gen Camaro. But "smaller" isn't on the list of things that would make the 5th gen better.
Less weight might be a bit better, but NOT smaller.
#30
Originally posted by MunchE
On another note, for someone who wants their car to stay big and roomy, how come you hate the idea of the GTO so much?
On another note, for someone who wants their car to stay big and roomy, how come you hate the idea of the GTO so much?
Yes, I like roomy cockpits. However, I have no use whatsoever for a big, roomy back seat. The "GTO" has a roomy backseat and partly because of this, has lost a sports car stance and appearance, and gave way to car resembling a Dodge Stratus more than a "GTO".
At any rate.....on with the rest of the thread.