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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:04 AM
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Angry If this happens I'll never buy another GM car again.

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Is a Chinese Company Preparing to Buy General Motors?

SHANGHAI, China — Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. (SAIC) has been persistently reported to be interested in buying General Motors. This week, the company denied to Chinese media that it is considering such a move. SAIC and China's Dongfeng Motor have both been named as prospective buyers of GM as the former global superpower struggles to remain afloat.

Hu Xindong, a spokesman of Hong Kong-listed Dongfeng, declined to comment yesterday. But he earlier said the nation's third-biggest carmaker has been contacted by financial groups which have close relationships with GM over a possible takeover, according to National Business Daily.

Although Chinese carmakers are eager to expand overseas, analysts are saying they are still not financially capable of such a large project as a purchase of GM.

**** Liusheng, an auto analyst at China Merchants Securities Co, commented: "Besides liquidity constraints, it is also impossible for Chinese carmakers to handle GM's huge costs of compensating workers and any other follow-up expenditure."

But other analysts also said there could be opportunities for Chinese carmakers to buy some assets, especially in technological areas, from GM.

Meanwhile, it is an interesting question whether the financially strapped U.S. company will continue with its own expansion in China, now the world's second-largest car market.

Ding Lei, general manager of GM's flagship venture in China, Shanghai General Motors, said the China market will remain "the top priority for future development" and predicted "There won't be changes in GM's investment in China." Ding noted that although GM is shedding brands and closing plants in the U.S. market, business in Latin America and Asia remains healthy.

Although the stocks slump and a slowing economy in China is also hitting demand for vehicles, the 11 percent sales increase for the first 10 months is of the world's best.

In China, GM is also facing challenges with declining market share and sluggish sales, despite new models like the Buick Excelle and the Chevrolet Aveo compact car. Nevertheless, the company is boosting production at its new plant in Shenyang to 150,000 units per year.

Shanghai GM this week launched a revamped Buick Regal sedan in Shenzhen, as part of its efforts to upgrade products to win back Chinese customers who have been buying more cars from Volkswagen and Toyota. Next year, the Chevrolet Cruze mid-class sedan will also begin domestic sales ahead of another 10 new models for the Asia-Pacific region by 2010, according to Ding.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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Please God, don't let it be that we've come to this. Please.

I don't think it will go down this way, but GM would be off my list as well. My family has been primarily a GM family since before I was born. I worked for GM for many years.

I'm already sick about the state of affairs the domestic auto industry is facing right now. If it becomes a Chinese company...
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:30 AM
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I will not buy a car from a Chinese owned company. If some day, every car company in the world become Chinese owned companies, I will only buy used cars.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:37 AM
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China's already funding our deficits because we'd rather pay China intrest and give them influence on our policies than to simply pay our own way through taxes and actually save ourselves billions if not trillions of dollars.

Our refusal to deal with reality has resulted in the country being beholden to China, so, I don't see what the issue of just GM being partially or entirely bought by them is.

I think if everyone took a look around their homes you'd find more Chinese products than one might be comfortable with.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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China's already funding our deficits because we'd rather pay China intrest and give them influence on our policies than to simply pay our own way through taxes and actually save ourselves billions if not trillions of dollars.

Our refusal to deal with reality has resulted in the country being beholden to China, so, I don't see what the issue of just GM being partially or entirely bought by them is.

I think if everyone took a look around their homes you'd find more Chinese products than one might be comfortable with.

I realize that almost everything comes from China these days, but i must draw a line somewhere. I don't like the Equinox because of the source of it's engine, either.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:51 AM
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I realize that almost everything comes from China these days, but i must draw a line somewhere. I don't like the Equinox because of the source of it's engine, either.
So, from an automotive standpoint, you're racist!
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by guionM
China's already funding our deficits because we'd rather pay China intrest and give them influence on our policies than to simply pay our own way through taxes and actually save ourselves billions if not trillions of dollars.

Our refusal to deal with reality has resulted in the country being beholden to China, so, I don't see what the issue of just GM being partially or entirely bought by them is.

I think if everyone took a look around their homes you'd find more Chinese products than one might be comfortable with.
You know, this is a double edged sword for China. Thousands of businesses have started up in China, which essentially make no profit after paying salaries and government supported bank loans. This was a happy model in China, since previous to this they had dirt. As the US economy slows, we buy less stuff from China. All of these marginal Chinese companies start to fail. If they fail, MILLIONS of Chinese lose their ability to make a living. And I don't just mean they risk losing health benefits or 401K - I mean they lose the ability to feed themselves and their families.

If the US economy doesn't turn around, the results on the Chinese economy - even it's society - will be massive. The Chinese government will need to subsidize all of these failing companies or risk the unrest of millions of starving citizens.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:06 AM
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I think you will start to see a lot of US businesses being bought by Chinese companies. They already have a huge stake in our country with all of the loans. GM would be a good buy for them, especially since their cars are so popular in China.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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I think you will start to see a lot of US businesses being bought by Chinese companies. They already have a huge stake in our country with all of the loans. GM would be a good buy for them, especially since their cars are so popular in China.
Given GM's technologies not to mention GM's access to the US and global markets (or the near non-existant net value of GM at the moment), it would be a steal for a Chinese company... or even China... to buy GM or large parts of it.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:25 AM
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It's an interesting idea and technically several large automakers have the funds to "buy" GM but none of them want the red tape, pension and healthcare obligations that go along with that purchase.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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I think I'd rather see GM go 100% out of business than have them be owned by China.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
I think I'd rather see GM go 100% out of business than have them be owned by China.
At the rate we're going it won't be long before the entire USofA is owned by China.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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This has been going on for the past month. I think China will buy GM if GM does not get a loan soon.

Anyone buying GM stock?
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gripenfelter
This has been going on for the past month. I think China will buy GM if GM does not get a loan soon.

Anyone buying GM stock?
It'll never happen, for so many reasons. It's possible that a Chinese firm may buy up the assets of a brand though.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 12:05 PM
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This has been going on for the past month. I think China will buy GM if GM does not get a loan soon.
Reading the article above, it doesn't appear that SAIC has the financial means to purchase GM unless they get support from the Chinese government. IMO, a complete sell-off of GM could only happen if they are forced to file for bankruptcy protection. I don't see that happening at this point because based on what I've read from today's hearings it sounds like the government is now saying that a loop-hole would allow the auto industry to qualify for a loan under TARP.

They're going to get the loans, the government just wants to make them sweat a little and make concessions to improve their chances of recovering and paying back the loans sooner.

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Anyone buying GM stock?
I'd consider it if I knew GM wasn't going to file for bankrupcty. Ford is a better buy at this point IMO.



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