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Old Dec 5, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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I don't disagree with you in philosophy, but how would buying a camry cause americans to lose jobs?
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 03:18 PM
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We should want as many plants as we can get here, no matter the name plate. More jobs = better for everyone.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 03:23 PM
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It's congress, the same people who wasted how much time having hearings over baseball steriods.

Because the constitution says congress' duty is to regulate commerce, coin money, declare war and supervise baseball.
I was just thinking about MLB when watching a little of the Big 3 hearings and how much they are alike from the Senate Committee side. They just love to make a big show on our tab.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 03:33 PM
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I don't disagree with you in philosophy, but how would buying a camry cause americans to lose jobs?
IMO, the order of "best to the American Economy", car purchases would be:

1) American nameplate build in USA.
2) American nameplate built out of USA.
3) Foriegn nameplate built in USA.
4) Foriegn nameplate built out of USA.

You may question the rankings of 2 & 3 as many would, and my answer is that while purchasing a foriegn nameplate car that was built in the US (Camry in your example) does help those workers of Toyota at that plant, buying an American nameplate car built outside of the USA supports a U.S. company that provides MANY MANY times more jobs to the USA than the foriegn competitors.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
IMO, the order of "best to the American Economy", car purchases would be:

1) American nameplate build in USA.
2) American nameplate built out of USA.
3) Foriegn nameplate built in USA.
4) Foriegn nameplate built out of USA.

You may question the rankings of 2 & 3 as many would, and my answer is that while purchasing a foriegn nameplate car that was built in the US (Camry in your example) does help those workers of Toyota at that plant, buying an American nameplate car built outside of the USA supports a U.S. company that provides MANY MANY times more jobs to the USA than the foriegn competitors.

Exactly. I think you have it listed correctly, where does the profit go? If it comes here, good for the corporation and all the other jobs it supports. If it goes to some other country, all we get are a few hundred manufacturing jobs.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 03:40 PM
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I guess I'm just much less of a fan of outsourcing than you are, but I see your point.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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I guess I'm just much less of a fan of outsourcing than you are, but I see your point.

Oh, do not get me wrong... I *HATE* when I see American car companies build vehicles outside the USA.

Hate it.

But it's still the lesser of several evils, IMO.

If you notice, my current vehicles are all assembled in the USA, though I have owned or leased other GM vehicles built out of the US (99 Z28, 02 Monte SS, 04 GTO) in the past.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
IMO, the order of "best to the American Economy", car purchases would be:

1) American nameplate build in USA.
2) American nameplate built out of USA.
3) Foriegn nameplate built in USA.
4) Foriegn nameplate built out of USA.

You may question the rankings of 2 & 3 as many would, and my answer is that while purchasing a foriegn nameplate car that was built in the US (Camry in your example) does help those workers of Toyota at that plant, buying an American nameplate car built outside of the USA supports a U.S. company that provides MANY MANY times more jobs to the USA than the foriegn competitors.

This thread: http:
//www.camaroz28.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491386&highlight=pittsburgh+post+ gazette


Makes me agree with that order.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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I don't disagree with you in philosophy, but how would buying a camry cause americans to lose jobs?
It may be BUILT in the USA, but consider the following:

Where were the parts made?
Where was the car designed?
Where was it engineered?
Where were the parts engineered?
Where is the management team located?
Where are the service manuals written?
Where are the marketing people located?
Etc., etc.

They may have some support in the US, but most of it is based outside the country. Guess what, it takes people working to do this stuff.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 07:02 PM
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I don't mind them giving the Big 3 a hard time as they deserve a lot of it. I just wish they would have gone this far publically with each of the financial institutions who've received Fed loans or included in the bailout. If they had really gotten into AIG, Citigroup and Bear Sterns like they are with the auto companies I think we would be really appalled at what would have been said.
+1
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rlchv70
It may be BUILT in the USA, but consider the following:

Where were the parts made?
Where was the car designed?
Where was it engineered?
Where were the parts engineered?
Where is the management team located?
Where are the service manuals written?
Where are the marketing people located?
Etc., etc.

They may have some support in the US, but most of it is based outside the country. Guess what, it takes people working to do this stuff.
Do you know the answers to all of those questions personally? Do you know where the parts are made for US manufacturers?
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by seawolf06
Do you know the answers to all of those questions personally? Do you know where the parts are made for US manufacturers?
I would actually like to see a list of said compaonents with the manufacture of each item and all the data. I can bet that even cars MADE in the US are at least half foreign parts.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 07:31 PM
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I would actually like to see a list of said compaonents with the manufacture of each item and all the data. I can bet that even cars MADE in the US are at least half foreign parts.
I would think so, too. The other thing is that the ones made in the US contribute to our GDP.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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Just look at the window of a new car. There's a sticker that tells you how much of the parts are at least North American in origination.
Old Dec 5, 2008 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by seawolf06
Do you know the answers to all of those questions personally? Do you know where the parts are made for US manufacturers?
They were desgined and built by the same supplier as almost every other make.




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