I was over at a Honda board, and someone posted an article on how the 250hp 3.5 or 3.6L Dohc with variable valve timing going into the upcoming Saturn Vue redline and a few other GM application is actually Honda built and sourced.

What a surprise and let down. Don't get me wrong, Honda is an excellent company, but the ricers and other import people will get a hoot out of seeing GM a corporate giant go to Honda for their engines. Ex: One member who read the article said "atleast the other car makers know wo make the better cars now with good reliable engine. no crap like a ford (fix or repair daily)".

 

Isn't Honda buying some of GM's truck V8's??
If so, won't people on here (or any other GM bbs) be saying the same thing about their use of GM engines in Hondas?

 

I've heard rumors, but have yet to see the resulting products. From what i've read and seen, Honda is too caught up in the whole efficiency, economy, and environmental thing to put a v8 in their lineup. For that reason, i don't see that happening. That and they really don't have any large truck.

 

Last I heard was they Honda was buying some of GM Europe's small car diesel engines used by Fiat/Alfa Romeo.

 

It wouldn't suprise me if they used Honda engines in Saturns.

 

Not yet

The smartest thing that Honda could do if they wanted to compete in the large-truck market would be to source a good pushrod motor, as you can't beat them for cost, packaging, weight, economy, etc. You just can't beat the GenIII small-block in this application, so I don't see where their "greenness" or engineering prowlness would point them in a different direction.

 

Its still just plain asinine GM needs to buy anything from Honda. The world's largest automaker should be able to come up with a good enough engine

 

Who knows you might be looking at a 250hp+ Honda V6 in the base 2007 Camaro (if it comes out).

GM could keep the V8 for oldschool American thunder guys and have a Honda v6 for the Fast and Furious Import tuner guys.

Having a "powered by Honda" sticker on a Camaro would be very disturbing.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see engines being mixed in. It's not like that's a bad thing. Why should Gm or any company burn tens/hundred of millions into making a more powerful V6 or any motor that's going into a non-big seller vehicle when they can just buy rights to a Honda/other company one still tens of millions, but much much less then developing one. GM's a company that wants to make money!! I'm pretty sure most users won't have a problem owning a vehicle with another corporations motor in it, if it doesn't effect their driver experience/outcome and might end up saving them 500-1000 dollars potentially.

The Pontiac Vibe uses the Toyota 2ZZ engine. And there were other cars that used other car maker engines and other things too. It's not the end of the world. It's smart business.

Alex

 

Kind of ironic that an import engine is going into the division that was supposed to be the import fighter.

 

According to IRN's data, they show the 3.6 L V6 in the '06 Camaro, which I think is an actual GM motor (I don't know anymore, though - with all the upcoming, current, and recently-discontinued GM V6s, I've completely lost track).

LMAO at Chuck's comment

 

Yeah I think its part of the 60 degree V6 family, (3.4L).

 

I thought they were getting GM FWD transmissions out of the trade?

Honda transmissions SUCK, They woould be smart to go with the GM ones.

 

I thought the engine used in the Vibe was built by Yamaha.

Maybe just the 180HP I4 engine?

 

The 180hp I4's in the Celica/Vibe/Matrix are the Yamaha built ones.