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Old May 16, 2006 | 09:10 PM
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Honda to build NA assembly plant 30 miles from me...

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3:32 PM May 16, 2006


Mystery of land sales revealed
By Norm Heikens and JK Wall
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May 16, 2006


Attorneys working on behalf of Honda Motor Co. have rounded up at least one parcel of land in southeastern Indiana large enough to accommodate a Honda auto assembly plant that may be considered for North America and could employ thousands of workers.
However, other states are still competing for the plant, Gov. Mitch Daniels said today.
Owners of farmland and houses about four miles east of Greensburg in southeastern Indiana have signed options to sell more than 1,000 acres to an unnamed company. The company’s identity had remained a mystery for weeks until Daniels confirmed today that it is Honda.

Most of the land is contiguous. It also abuts railroad tracks and is within a mile of Interstate 74, offering transportation options for hauling in raw materials and components and shipping out finished cars.

Five landowners contacted by The Star said they had signed options to sell a total of 1,044 acres.

An Indianapolis lawyer representing the company has said it needed at least 1,000 acres for the plant.

Offers from the company were mailed to landowners in at least four locations in southeastern Indiana: the location east of Greensburg; two other sites west of Greensburg and another plot east of Batesville.

But the site east of Greensburg is where attorneys appear to be having the most success assembling a site for the plant.

“We’re going to do all we can” to attract Honda, Daniels said during a noon press conference at the Statehouse. “Honda is one of the world’s most impressive and respected companies, and Indiana will do all it can to compete successfully to be its next home.”

Daniels wouldn’t answer further questions.

Residents in the Greensburg and Batesville area have been buzzing with speculation about the plant since the landowners received letters in early April offering to buy their land. The letters, sent by the Indianapolis law firm of Baker & Daniels on behalf of an unnamed company, said the company would invest at least $200 million and employ 750 — figures reported last month by The Indianapolis Star.

Daniels said today the project would be “significantly larger” than news reports have indicated. Honda assembly plants typically employ 2,000 to 4,000 workers.

Nihon Keizai , a Japanese newspaper, reported this morning that Honda plans a new auto assembly plant in North America, and that it likely would be located close to existing plants in Ohio, Alabama, Canada or Mexico. Greensburg is 165 miles southwest of the Honda plant in Marysville, Ohio.

The Canadian Press today reported that Honda has all but ruled out Canada for the plant, which would likely assemble the Civic or the Fit, a five-door subcompact the firm has been exporting from Japan.

Coupled with a second production line to be built later, the plant eventually will have capacity to produce 300,000 units a year. That would push total North American output to 1.8 million vehicles — about the same as that of larger rival Toyota Motor Corp., Nihon Keizai said. The Japanese newspaper didn’t cite the sources of its information.

Honda spokesman Shigeki Endo declined to comment on the report, saying it was “just speculation.”

But Honda is scheduled to hold a news conference Wednesday on an undisclosed topic. Endo wouldn’t give details of the conference, except to say “several” things would be announced.

“We would like to boost both sales and capacity,” Endo said.

Worldwide, the company sold 3.365 million units last year, and is forecasting sales to rise 9.7 percent to 3.693 million units in the current business year ending March 2007.
Old May 16, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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I wonder what would be built there? All of their moderate to high volume Honda branded vehicles are already built here. So either moving some more Acura production to the US, or a new vehicle or maybe the last of their remaining lower volume vehicles?
Old May 16, 2006 | 11:54 PM
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Hey Doug, you need to borrow my torch?
Old May 17, 2006 | 10:05 AM
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But the site east of Greensburg is where attorneys appear to be having the most success assembling a site for the plant.

“We’re going to do all we can” to attract Honda, Daniels said during a noon press conference at the Statehouse.
In other words,

"We're going to offer Honda the most rediculous tax cuts and incentives possible to build here."

Deciding on where to build a new plant basically comes down to who will sell the land the cheapest and give the best tax incentives, doesn't it? Toyota was involved in a brief controversy because it was found that they purchased some land near Ann Arbor for their new R&D center from the State of Michigan at a much lower price than the land was worth, and lower than bids from other companies.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins.../01-148375.htm

Oh well, it's good for employment in your area.

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Old May 17, 2006 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
In other words,

"We're going to offer Honda the most rediculous tax cuts and incentives possible to build here."

Deciding on where to build a new plant basically comes down to who will sell the land the cheapest and give the best tax incentives, doesn't it? Toyota was involved in a brief controversy because it was found that they purchased some land near Ann Arbor for their new R&D center from the State of Michigan at a much lower price than the land was worth, and lower than bids from other companies.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosins.../01-148375.htm

Oh well, it's good for employment in your area.
standard practice for just about any large company who wants to create thousands of new jobs. states will almost always bend over backwards to attract the jobs and tax revenue associated with the company.
Old May 17, 2006 | 10:23 AM
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Tax cuts to attract business is what happens in the free market. It's a simple question of economics. GM gets the same treatment when they look to open up a new facility here in the US and typically in any other country as well.

Bringing that many jobs to an area and that much an economic boost is a big bargaining chip.

I know when FedEx was first founded as a very small time expidited freight company they considered opening in Little Rock AR, but Little Rock wouldn't give them a single tax break or discounted use of the airport or anything. Memphis did.

I'll bet you anything that if the mayor of Little Rock could go back in time he'd give his left ******** and every tax break in the book to have accepted Fred Smith's FedEx venture.
Old May 17, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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standard practice for just about any large company who wants to create thousands of new jobs.
True, but in the case I noted, the center was creating 400 new jobs. I'm sure Michigan sold the land cheap, and will give Toyota many years of tax credits...for 400 jobs. If you read more into the case, the State of Michigan actually repealed competitive-bidding laws governing the sale of state-owned land to pave the way for Toyota's lowball bid. Maybe the jobs are the most important thing, but that's a lot of sorely-needed revenue the state gave away.

I'm not picking on foreign makes or anything of that nature. Heck, our cars were built at St. Therese because of the well-known tax breaks Quebec gave GM.

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Old May 17, 2006 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
True, but in the case I noted, the center was creating 400 new jobs. I'm sure Michigan sold the land cheap, and will give Toyota many years of tax credits...for 400 jobs. Maybe the jobs are the most important thing, but that's a lot of sorely-needed revenue the state gave away.

I'm not picking on foreign makes or anything of that nature. Heck, our cars were built at St. Therese because of the well-known tax breaks Quebec gave GM.
400 jobs now, as in my FedEx example, can amount to 40,000 jobs later. Ya never know...
Old May 17, 2006 | 10:37 AM
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400 jobs now, as in my FedEx example, can amount to 40,000 jobs later. Ya never know...
Not quite the same thing. FedEx's 40,000 jobs are spread throughout the country, right? Second, Toyota is an established company, and while I don't know much about the site, I doubt there's room for huge future expansion. This is just a R&D center, not Toyota's new North American headquarters or whatever.
Old May 17, 2006 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
Not quite the same thing. FedEx's 40,000 jobs are spread throughout the country, right? Second, Toyota is an established company, and while I don't know much about the site, I doubt there's room for huge future expansion. This is just a R&D center, not Toyota's new North American headquarters or whatever.
Well actually I just sorta pulled those numbers outta my *** just to demonstrate what I was talking about, but just for the sake of interest I checked.

Memphis currently employs somewhere around 50,000 people in the Memphis area alone. Est 15,000 at its airport hub, 15,000 at its HQ, 15,000 total between its two technology centers in the area, and the rest made up by FedEx retail locations (FedEx Kinkos, and so on). My dad is one of 'em (Airbus pilot/captain)

They employ 260,000 world-wide.
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
True, but in the case I noted, the center was creating 400 new jobs. I'm sure Michigan sold the land cheap, and will give Toyota many years of tax credits...for 400 jobs. If you read more into the case, the State of Michigan actually repealed competitive-bidding laws governing the sale of state-owned land to pave the way for Toyota's lowball bid. Maybe the jobs are the most important thing, but that's a lot of sorely-needed revenue the state gave away.

I'm not picking on foreign makes or anything of that nature. Heck, our cars were built at St. Therese because of the well-known tax breaks Quebec gave GM.
still sounds like standard practices


400 jobs is quite a bit, but that doesn't include the jobs created to support the car maker's plant created by contractors, resturants, etc etc that DON'T have tax breaks.

the state will get their investment back, and most likely the local economy will benefit enough to make it worth while.
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Originally Posted by Z28Wilson
True, but in the case I noted, the center was creating 400 new jobs. I'm sure Michigan sold the land cheap, and will give Toyota many years of tax credits...for 400 jobs.
Those 400 engineering jobs are worth roughly $1.5M just in income tax revenue every year, and that doesn't include the revenue generated by the money that those employees will spend. Michigan made the right decision in this case.

Threxx, Honda still imports more vehicles than it'd like to right now (about 20% of its NA sales are of imported vehicles), since it's maxed-out its current NA production capacity. I'm guessing that there will be some serious deck-shuffling among its plants in the next few years.
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Originally Posted by Threxx
Tax cuts to attract business is what happens in the free market.
Sounds more like socialism than the "freemarket."
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Sounds more like socialism than the "freemarket."

Tax cuts = Socialism I always thought it was the other way around
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Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
Sounds more like socialism than the "freemarket."
skipped that day in your high school government class?



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