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Old Dec 19, 2004 | 09:27 AM
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Re: Having trouble recalling desirable and affordable collectible cars of the 70's & 80's

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I was always partial to 3rd gen Firebirds and Trans Ams, especially the GTA models. I think that clean 3rd gens are already commanding a good bit of money compared to prices from a few years ago.
Yep , a clean low mile ( 20K-60K miles) TPI 3rd gen is already a more expensive car to purchase than a average cond. 93-96 F-body . Theres exceptions , but 3rd gen prices are creepin up .
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 01:16 AM
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Ford

-Thunderbird SC (guion oughta like that choice!). What a cool car when they were new...

They were priced out the a** when new, but just put on a set of good 245 tires and nothing with more than 2 seats will outhandle it on a real (not glass smooth) road. Pulley swap, Exhaust, & raised top equals sub-6 second 0-60. Not bad for just a 2.73 rear end.

Dodge
-Only one that got me...the Mirada Anyone remember the Mirada? I've always wanted to find a CMX (the sport model) with a factory 318 or 360 and rip the motor out and drop a crate 360 in one. What an offbeat, different car that'd be...looks were quite nice too!!
Forgot completly about those things. They were one of the better looking cars of the chisled-styling of the 70s. I like the Dodge Magnum better though. It had the clear retractable headlight covers, then there was that one version that was the companion to the R/T "Supercoupe" with the painted rims with chrome rings, flat black paint, wheel flares, etc.

Today's auto writers like to slam the 70s, but there were still plenty of fun cars then. In the 70s, Detroit discovered that they could make cars handle if they couldn't make them quick, besides you could still modify cars back then without running afoul of the EPA. And it didn't take much at all to get profound results.
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 07:42 AM
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One over-looked little fact about the Monza...

The rear suspension is basically identical to a 3rd and 4th generation Camaro. All the tricks that work on the F-cars work on the Monza (better torque arm, panhard rod, control arms, etc...).

Couple that with extremely low weight and you have a receipe for a truly great car. The biggest issue they had - marginal body stiffness including a tendency to pop windshields out under really aggressive drag launches - is correctable with a roll cage.

LSx + Monza + selective stiffening + suspension upgrades = road course killing machine...

Given the car's light weight, the factory 10-bolt might even survive with judicious upgrades (C-clips gotta go...).
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 08:58 AM
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Re: Having trouble recalling desirable and affordable collectible cars of the 70's & 80's

Originally Posted by OzoneNorth
OK, this is a pet peeve of mine, the way some Automotive Journalists are always coming out with stories on how dismal the 70’s & 80’s were, and how few "collectible" cars were produced. Well, sure, it was tough times, but if the question is were there any fun cars made then that would be affordable collectors cars now? Here’s a list off the top of my head (pardon the typo’s and any incorrect dates!) I’ll use 1973, the year 5 mph bumpers were mandated, as the starting point:
Dude, I'll hand it to you on a silver platter... you DO know cars!
I don't know a handful of car junkys like me that could recall even 3/4 of the cars on this list you claim to have pulled "off the top of your head"... KUDOS!

Now, as I am an avid collector of "things Mustang", please allow me to make a couple of very tiny adjustments and throw in some additional details...
"off the top of my head" too!

Ford
1973 Mustang Mach 1 (offered in everything from 302-2v to a decent 351C-4V Cobra Jet, prices are approaching $30k for Q-code '73 Mach 1's. Don't exclude the convertibles too, '73 was the last year for the vert until '83, and they are in the $20k range now too.)
1974-78 Mustang Mach 1/Cobra II/Stallion/King Cobra (Excellent job here. The only model missing is the "MPG" model. But anything "MPG" was far from performance so they are typically forgotten/discarded - which makes them even more rare and pricey today. FYI - King Cobras are very rare @3400 made and are reaching $20k at auctions. There is the "Rallye" package, which offered suspension of the Mach 1/Cobra with a sticker package on any car I4,V6, or V8. And the MOST sought-after M-II is the Monroe Handler - sky is the limit for pricing.)
1979-82 Mustang Cobra check
1983-93 Mustang GT (You forgot the 1982 GT - the year it was reintroduced and had the "Boss is Back" campaign. '82 GT's are very rare and fetch high dollars. Also there were only a few of the 1983 GLX 5.0 convertibles made - they are VERY sought after and pricey too.)
1984 Mustang GT350 check
1984-86 Mustang SVO/SVO 41C check
1990 Mustang 25th Anniversary (Actually, the 25th anniversary cars are MOSTLY '89 models... the dash emblem with "25 Years" was to be used up and ran over into early '90 models a tad. PS - I should know, I drive one every day! It's an '89 LX 5.0!
1992 Mustang Limited Edition check
1993 Mustang Special Edition check
(as a side note, there were 4 different Special-Ed's from Ford between 1989 and 1993... The 7-up cars that were made for the soda company but sold thru Ford, There was the Laser-Red SE, The Triple-White SE, and the Yellow-SE - all (except the 7-up unit) featured white tops and white-painted 16" 5-spokes, and are VIN-specific.
1973-79 Ranchero GT check - nice call too BTW
1984-85 LTD LX 5.0 check - especially the police package units
1989- Taurus SHO check - especially the 5-spd - they were as fast as 5.0 Mustangs with 2.73 gears!
1983-88 Thunderbird Turbo Referred to as "Turbo Coupe" - check
1989- Thunderbird SC check

Mercury
1973 Cougar (especially the XR-7 packages. Some of these were NASTY, with rocker switches on the dash, full instrumentation, hurst shifters, 9" Detroit Lockers, and up to a 335 hp Q-code 351 CobraJet using the Rochester Spread-bore 4V. PS - I have a '73 XR-7 with 56k miles and original paint!)
1974-76 Cougar XR7 w/460 (surprisingly though, the 460 didn't run like the 351-C, the 460 was a torque monster, but HP was low at just over 200.)
1979-88 Capri RS/Crimson Cat/Black Magic
1987-88 Capri 5.0
1983-88 Cougar XR7 Turbo check
1989- Cougar XR7 SC to you dude - almost NOBODY knows this car exists! It's a T-bird SC with Mercury-level trim.

Lincoln
1984-89 Mark VII LSCcheck
Also not mentioned ANYWHERE in this thread yet are the SSP Mustangs from 1983 to 1993 consecutively. Probably THE most sought-after Fox-body Mustang of all - except for the 1993 SVT Cobra.
SSP's were fast, durable, and more fun than any car ought to be.

I am just "into" Fords for investments/fun by choice. I respect ALL American iron, and I'm sure there are just as many unmentioned and unique models in GM and Mopar's past too. Anybody out there pipe in some detail on these other brands for me?
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 09:09 AM
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Re: Having trouble recalling desirable and affordable collectible cars of the 70's & 80's

Originally Posted by PacerX
One over-looked little fact about the Monza...

The rear suspension is basically identical to a 3rd and 4th generation Camaro. All the tricks that work on the F-cars work on the Monza (better torque arm, panhard rod, control arms, etc...).

Couple that with extremely low weight and you have a receipe for a truly great car. The biggest issue they had - marginal body stiffness including a tendency to pop windshields out under really aggressive drag launches - is correctable with a roll cage.

LSx + Monza + selective stiffening + suspension upgrades = road course killing machine...

Given the car's light weight, the factory 10-bolt might even survive with judicious upgrades (C-clips gotta go...).
You are spot-on.
A buddy of mine (actually he does a lot of body/paint work for me - has an '88 GT of mine in his shop today in fact) is BIG into Buicks and racing. He has won MANY medals in SCCA competition at Road Atlanta, Virginia International, and others in a modified Buick Skyhawk (same H-body as the Monza). He was/is a terror in that car.

And the same goes for Mustang II's also. Get an M-II with a stock 302-2v and a 4-spd and you've got a great platform for modifications. With little money, you can have a 2600-2800lb road car with 300 easy hp. All rear axle parts are readily available from 7.5" to 9" and any gear/lock-up configuration, and the front suspension was top-in-class. Heck, all the extreme hot-rodders want the Mustang II front suspension for the manual rack and pinion and the control arm setup. It was the only Mustang to date without shock towers, which leaves you more room for headers and such.

Monzas and M-II's were actually great hot-rodding cars in their day... still are but folks don't want to deal with rust.
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 09:15 AM
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Re: Having trouble recalling desirable and affordable collectible cars of the 70's & 80's

Originally Posted by ProudPony
And the same goes for Mustang II's also. Get an M-II with a stock 302-2v and a 4-spd and you've got a great platform for modifications. With little money, you can have a 2600-2800lb road car with 300 easy hp. All rear axle parts are readily available from 7.5" to 9" and any gear/lock-up configuration, and the front suspension was top-in-class. Heck, all the extreme hot-rodders want the Mustang II front suspension for the manual rack and pinion and the control arm setup. It was the only Mustang to date without shock towers, which leaves you more room for headers and such.

Monzas and M-II's were actually great hot-rodding cars in their day... still are but folks don't want to deal with rust.
I agree about Monza.

Proud, I've seen some very nice Mustang II's this summer. The one that sticks out in my head had SN95 17" Bullitt wheels, lowered suspension, beautiful paint and one of the meanest sounding motors I've ever heard.
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 10:43 AM
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305fan:
Yep, my bad, Pontiac = 455!

Jason E:
Mirada CMX, forgot about that one, I think the Cordoba had something similar, had some 300 styling cues.

guionM:
Dodge Aspen SuperCoupes! I think Plymouth had a version too, they also had a similar package for the wagons!

Proud Pony:
I once saw a Mustang II Cobra II in black with sticker delete, looked great without the stickers, just the jewel-like cobra badges! I think the Mach 1 also had some kind of “Nite” package, all black. Never heard of the Monroe Handler before, looks cool. Of course the SSP Mustangs were amazing, saw a few of those belonging to the NC State police back in my college days. A lot of cool police cruisers from back then, 80’s Fox platform LTD’s, Nova police package, and, of course, the late 70’s Coronet/Fury 440’s!

Here’s a couple more to add to the list!

INTERNATIONAL
1978-80 Scout SSII

JEEP
1973-87 CJ-5/CJ-7 Renegade/Golden Eagle
1987-89 Commanche Eliminator

AMC
1978 Gremlin GT

Dodge
1974-75 Dart Hang 10
1976 Street Van
1977-80 Warlock/Macho PU
1979-80 Lil’ Red Truck
1989-90 Dakota Sport Convertible

Ford
1973-75 Gran Torino Sport w/460
1973-75 Maverick Grabber V8 ( I learned to drive on one of these!)
1979 Indy Pace Truck PU
1988-89 Ranger GT

Mercury
1973-74 Montego GT

Pontiac
1992 Richard Petty Ed. Grand Prix

GMC
1975 Beau James/Gentleman Jim PU
1978-80 Street Coupe PU w/455

Chevrolet
1974 Sprit of America Vega/Nova/Impala
1974-80 Sport PU w/454
1977 Monza Mirage
1987-88 Eurosport VR
1988 35th Anniv Corvette
1989-91 S10 Cameo
1990-91 SS454 PU

And how many here remember the Root Beer colored 1979 Corvette customized by Willie G. Davidson and used as a contest give-away for Harley Davidson that year? I’d love to know where that car is today!

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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 10:45 AM
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The great things about the LSx + Monza matchup:

1) The LSx is considerably lighter than the iron block and heads small blocks they came with... probably shave nearly 200 lbs. when all is said and done.

2) The LSx is physically smaller than the small block, which helps with the fitment of headers and maintenance in a cramped engine bay.




Yup... 400rwhp LSx + 100 shot + T56 + Monza @ 2600lbs.

I can think of few things tastier, and with more "WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST GET BEATEN BY???" satisfaction.


PS - Because of the DeKon Monzas used in racing, flared quarters and fenders out of fiberglass are available... no tubbing required, just some judicious filler/fiberglass work.
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 10:58 AM
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I had a 78 Fiat X19. Man I loved thrashing that car on gravel roads!!!
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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Re: Having trouble recalling desirable and affordable collectible cars of the 70's & 80's

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I agree about Monza.

Proud, I've seen some very nice Mustang II's this summer. The one that sticks out in my head had SN95 17" Bullitt wheels, lowered suspension, beautiful paint and one of the meanest sounding motors I've ever heard.
Thanks for the note! Agreed on all counts.

The one thing that let me down at the Mustang's 40th this past April was the lack of M-II's that were there. I only counted about a dozen. 3 Were King Cobras. More bizzarre than that was the fact there were SEVERAL ist gen Mustangs that were resto-mods and had full M-II front clips on them to eliminate shock towers and improve handling.

I've got 5 M-II's now... 4 Kings (2 4spd, 2 auto) and a V8 4spd Ghia. 2 toys, the rest are investments. Doing well too FTM.

I just don't get it why more folks aren't into Monza/Skyhawk/Mustang II type vehicles these days, especially with the aftermarket stuff available to work with them. They are about the cheapest bang/buck toys you can play with.
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Re: Having trouble recalling desirable and affordable collectible cars of the 70's & 80's

Originally Posted by PacerX
The great things about the LSx + Monza matchup:

1) The LSx is considerably lighter than the iron block and heads small blocks they came with... probably shave nearly 200 lbs. when all is said and done.

2) The LSx is physically smaller than the small block, which helps with the fitment of headers and maintenance in a cramped engine bay.




Yup... 400rwhp LSx + 100 shot + T56 + Monza @ 2600lbs.

I can think of few things tastier, and with more "WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST GET BEATEN BY???" satisfaction.


PS - Because of the DeKon Monzas used in racing, flared quarters and fenders out of fiberglass are available... no tubbing required, just some judicious filler/fiberglass work.
Posts like this make me want to go out and buy a Monza Spyder and cram a LS1-T56 combo into it.

Don't laugh, but the one car that comes to mind for me is my grandma's old
late 70's BuicK Park Avenue 2-door. I'm told it had a 425 or 455 in it that thing would snap your neck back. She told me that if she had known that I would turn into such a gearhead she would have kept it for me!
Old Dec 20, 2004 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OzoneNorth
guionM:
Dodge Aspen SuperCoupes! I think Plymouth had a version too, they also had a similar package for the wagons!
Plymouth Volare Super coupe including rare T-tops (the wagons are so rare, I can't locate 1 single picture, but I remember Plymouth & Dodge offered them), Dodge Aspen Sportwagon, the Richard Petty car Ozone mentioned, called the "Kit Car" (yes, itactually looked like that), and finally my favorite and the best looking of the group, the last Plymouth Roadrunners.


1979-80 Lil’ Red Truck
You ARE good. Another forgotten hot rod.
Car & Driver did a "Double the Double Nickel" test in either April or May 1977. Guess which vehicle was the quickest accelerating vehicle in the US according to that test?

Ford
1973-75 Gran Torino Sport w/460
A friend of mine had one as his 1st car. It didn't have any real horsepower, but it had enough torque to spin the tires like no tomorrow.

GMC
1978-80 Street Coupe PU w/455
Another tire smoker extrodinare!

Chevrolet
1977 Monza Mirage
Really cool looking in it's day. Where "ricers" got their start? Big wing, outrageous graphics, glue on fender bulges.

This is turning out to be quite a walk down automotive Memory Lane.
Old Dec 21, 2004 | 01:53 AM
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Looks like I am a little late to this thread, lol.

I thought for sure I would be someone injecting a rare car in here. But someone know's thier stuff:

1984-85 LTD LX 5.0 check - especially the police package units

My friend in HS got to drive his parents grey 85 ltd lx from time to time. My folks had an 85 grey 442. IIRC the ltd was rated at 170 hp and our 442 at 180. We went out cruising from time to time, but suprisingly never really got to find out just who was faster. The olds had a single track, and was very hard to hook up. so we really never had a fair run. I think from a roll it was a little bit quicker though.

Someone find me a clean ltd/lx and I will buy it. It would be a nice daily driver to go with the above olds (which I need to restore) and the 88 LX convertible I just bought.

also dont forget the other quad 4 cars that are pretty peppy the olds calais 442 and the (scratches head) umm olds.... something sc? Came out in 91 or so. Ha! got it the achieva. Also the 92-94 grand am gt.

plus if we are gonna talk trucks the 1st gen lightning, 454ss, and even the sonoma gt are pretty cool.
Old Dec 21, 2004 | 02:33 AM
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"stainless steel shell"...yeah...I bet those were great in sunny states like California or Florida.

Actually, it would be kinda nice to see people 'accidentally' (clumsily) bump into a car like that, and watch their facial expressions as they peel their already red skin off the car
Old Dec 21, 2004 | 02:45 AM
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http://www.chrysler300site.com/cgibin/history.cgi

I'll have to totally disagree with that. The 50's models are especially beautiful.
The concept Hemi Vert on that page looks like a Sebring

Hopefully that other concept/photo that was posted at this site will come to be.

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