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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 12:22 PM
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Re: Having trouble recalling desirable and affordable collectible cars of the 70's & 80's

Just something about that Monza Spyder I really liked

Swap an intake/4 bbl carb and exhaust, and you were king of the street Just goes to show how far we've come though. Those couple of mods were good for high 14 second times. Nothing new at the time could touch it.

Spoiler always rippled and the doors were way too heavy Would be a cool car to play with today. Drop in a LS1/6spd and have fun
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 12:27 PM
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I never realized (until now) how old some of you guys actually were.
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 12:28 PM
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Monza Spyder was one of my favorites also.
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 12:29 PM
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That article was ridiculous. They left out everything. Very selective. Here's a good one for the 80's:

Classic Cars Of The 1980's: Get Them Before They're Hot (or hotter!)
By Eric Peters of Netscape Autos


****Twenty years ago, the now-legendary and much-coveted muscle cars of the 1960s and early 1970s--289 "hi-po" Mustangs, early Z28 Camaros, 389 GTOs--were just tired old cars, common on seedy used-car lots, and well within the budgets of most speed-hungry teen-agers. Fast-forward to the present, when most of those machines have become rare and collectible rich-men's toys--$20,000 and up in most cases. Especially desirable models--such as the Shelby Mustangs (GT350 and GT500s), "big-block" SS 396 and 454-equipped Chevy Chevelles, '73-'74 SD-455 Pontiac Trans-Ams, LT-1 Corvettes, '440 "Six Pak" (triple-carburetor) Plymouth 'Cudas and Hemi Challengers--now sell for twice that. Some go for a lot more.

Those who were smart (or just stupid-lucky) bought when these amazing cars were someone else's secondhand car--not today's high-dollar classics.

Learn from the past!

The early and mid-1980s were another period when the domestic automakers began making some neat cars again, after almost a decade of bleakness that began with the OPEC oil crisis and lasted through the end of the Carter years.

One example is the mid-engined, composite-bodied Pontiac Fiero that was built from 1984 to 1988 (the '84 Indy pace-car replicas are especially desirable; ditto the later V-6-equipped GT and Formula models). Or consider the turbocharged, 2.3-liter '84-'85 Ford SVO Mustang--a four-cylinder hellion that was one of the very first American cars to approach the performance question with sophistication rather than brute force, and also one of the first U.S.-badged vehicles to wear huge-for-the time 16x7-inch alloy rims shod with 50-series, VR-rated (130-plus mph) "Gatorback" ultra-performance tires. Its distinguishing characteristics included an off-center hood scoop and dual rear spoilers, plus a front end different from other Mustangs (including the more conventional, V-8-equipped Mustang GT). The SVO Mustang was a good performer, too, with 205 horsepower in its second year of production--about as much power as the GT's 5-liter V-8 was making at the time.

Both the Fiero and SVO Mustang were unusual, almost experimental cars for their respective automakers--and are thus apt to become valuable collectibles in the years to come.

The mid-80s also were the era of the very successful 1983-1988 SS Monte Carlo--Chevrolet's last V-8-powered, full-frame V-8 coupe. The SS Monte had the muscular look of a Winston Cup stock car, and featured the final appearance of a carbureted V-8 (Chevy's L69, 5-liter "HO" engine) in a GM passenger car before fuel injection took over for emissions and fuel-economy reasons. Extra-rare "aerocoupes," built for just 2 years (1986-1987), featured specially contoured, wind-cheating back glass designed to give them an aerodynamic advantage at high speed.

Around the same time--in 1983--Oldsmobile offered the very last V-8-equipped, rear-drive, Cutlass-based 442 (and, in 1984, the similar Hurst Olds). These cars were also among the final run of rear-drive GM vehicles to be powered by a non-Chevrolet V-8 (in this case, Oldsmobile's venerable, 307-cubic-inch, 5-liter V-8). The Hurst Olds' defining characteristic was a fearsome-looking (if awkward-to-use) "Lightning Rod" Hurst shifter; it also featured a bulging hood scoop, a deck-lid spoiler, and special paint and stripes. Like the similar SS Monte Carlo, the Hurst Olds and 442 Cutlass were big, powerful American coupes of a type that will never be made again. Hence, their historic value is assured.

This brings us to the Buick Regal T-Type and the sinister-looking Regal Grand National--the absolute high-water mark for '80s performance cars. Of all the Reagan-era muscle coupes, these are the meanest. Grand Nationals were painted all black (with the exception of the introductory-year 1982 models, which were offered in silver and charcoal), and were powered by ever-more-potent versions of Buick's 3.8-liter, turbocharged V-6. By 1986, these ferocious rides packed 235 horsepower and could blast to 60 mph in under 6 seconds--amazing performance for a coupe the size of most of today's "full-size" sedans.

The last year of production--1987--went out with a bang. Before Buick, along with the rest of General Motors, switched over to front-wheel drive for fuel-economy reasons, a final run of Grand Nationals and T-Types left the factory--including 547 very special "GNX" models. Regular Grand Nationals were shipped from the assembly line to ASC/McLaren, a specialty tuner shop, where they were fitted with larger turbochargers that boasted a low-drag impeller, a new Garrett intercooler, and a low-backpressure exhaust system. These enhancements goosed the output of the 3.8-liter engine to a rated 270 horsepower and 360 pound-feet of torque. Since these big, heavy cars ran the quarter mile in the mid- to low-13s at more than 100 mph (as quick as a brand-new, 350-horsepower 2003 Corvette), the official, advertised horsepower rating of 270 was almost certainly underreported. GNX models are distinguished by their fender flares, meaty wheels and tires, fender vents, and "GNX" badging. They're arguably the last true American muscle cars--in the tradition of the old GTOs and SS Chevelles.

The mid-1980s were also a great time for bread-and-butter performance machines such as the 5-liter V-8 Mustang GT (and the more-discreet, 5-liter LX, which had the GT's engine, but not its body cladding and trim). These Mustangs were manufactured from 1982 until the early 1990s in more or less the same basic form. Featuring Ford's tried-and-true 302-cubic-inch, 5-liter V-8--the same basic engine that was used in the very first Mustangs in the mid-1960s--these cars offered affordable performance, were easy to work on, and benefited from a vast support network of aftermarket parts suppliers and "speed shops" that specialized in the traditional Ford small-block V-8. Ford made so many "five-o" 'Stangs that it is still a simple matter to locate a nice used one today for less than $5,000. Since Ford retired the 5-liter V-8 shortly after restyling the Mustang in 1994, the older 5.0 cars are destined to become interesting collectibles in a few years--especially limited-production models such as the Cobra.

Also of interest are the '80s-era Chevy IROC-Z Camaro and its Pontiac cousins, the Trans-Am GTA and Formula Firebird. The later (post-1985) models featured GM's "Tuned Port Injection" (TPI) V-8s in either 5-liter or 5.7-liter form, as well as the racy body styles that were immensely popular at the time. These "third-generation" Camaros and Firebirds far outsold the lackluster '93-and-later "fourth-generation" cars that were recently canceled by General Motors, and there were a variety of low-production, special-edition models that will command a lot of money in the years to come. These include the all-white 15th Anniversary cars built in 1984, and the 20th Anniversary 1989 Trans-Am that, for the first time, featured a V-6 engine instead of a V-8. Pontiac fitted these cars with the same basic 3.8-liter, turbocharged V-6 that had been used in the deceased Buick Regal Grand Nationals--and this power plant had the beans to whup its V-8-powered competitors every time.

As the '80s ended and the '90s began, GM also produced the impressive (and very-low-production) 1991 GMC Typhoon and, in 1992, the Syclone, both of which featured a 280-horsepower, turbocharged, 4.3-liter V-6 bolted to a full-time all-wheel-drive system. Capable of reaching 60 mph in less than 5 seconds, these monsters were among the quickest and fastest vehicles available then or now; their low production runs, coupled with phenomenal performance, guarantee their future collectibility.

Many of these "future classics" are merely old cars today--just like the classic muscle cars of the '60s and '70s once were. Most of them can still be found in regular classified ads, and are generally affordable (with the exception of the Grand National, the GNX, and the GMC Typhoon and Syclone, which are already "hot" in the old-car market). That won't last, though. As interest in these cars grows, and attrition decreases the supply of survivors, they'll become increasingly difficult to find--and more expensive, too.
Get them while you can!****
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 12:50 PM
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OK, this is a pet peeve of mine, the way some Automotive Journalists are always coming out with stories on how dismal the 70’s & 80’s were, and how few "collectible" cars were produced. Well, sure, it was tough times, but if the question is were there any fun cars made then that would be affordable collectors cars now? Here’s a list off the top of my head (pardon the typo’s and any incorrect dates!) I’ll use 1973, the year 5 mph bumpers were mandated, as the starting point:

Amc
1973-74 Javelin AMX
1973 Javelin Victory Package
1973-77 Gremlin X V8
1974-75 Matador X w/401
1977-78 Hornet AMX
1979 Spirit AMX V8

Plymouth:
1973-75 Duster 360
1973-74 ‘Cuda 360
1973-74 Sebring Plus/Road Runner
1975 Road Runner
1976-1980 Volare Road Runner
1978 Volare Richard Petty Street Kit Car

Dodge:
1973-75 Dart Sport 360/Dart Rallye
1973-74 Challenger Rallye
1973-74 Charger Rallye
1975-76 Charger Daytona
1976-1980 Aspen R/T
1978 Aspen R/T Richard Petty Street Kit Car
1977-79 Magnum XE GT
1987-91 Daytona Shelby Z
1986-91 Daytona CS
1984 Rampage
1984-87 Charger Shelby
1987 Shelby Charger GLHS
1987 Shelby Omni GLHS
1987 Shelby Lancer
1987-89 Shelby CSX/CSX-T
1989-90 Shelby Dakota
1990 Shadow VNT
1989-90 Shadow ACR
1991-92 Spirit R/T
1992-93 Daytona IROC R/T

Chrysler
1979 Cordoba 300
1984-85 Laser
1988-89 Maserati TC
1990 LeBaron GTC VNT

Ford
1973 Mustang Mach 1
1974-78 Mustang Mach 1/Cobra II/Stallion/King Cobra
1979-82 Mustang Cobra
1983-93 Mustang GT
1984 Mustang GT350
1984-86 Mustang SVO/SVO 41C
1990 Mustang 25th Anniversary
1992 Mustang Limited Edition
1993 Mustang Special Edition
1973-79 Ranchero GT
1984-85 LTD LX 5.0
1989- Taurus SHO
1983-88 Thunderbird Turbo
1989- Thunderbird SC

Mercury
1973 Cougar
1974-76 Cougar XR7 w/460
1979-88 Capri RS/Crimson Cat/Black Magic
1987-88 Capri 5.0
1983-88 Cougar XR7 Turbo
1989- Cougar XR7 SC

Lincoln
1984-89 Mark VII LSC

Chevrolet
1973 Camaro/RS/SS/Z28
1974 Camaro Z28
1975-81 Camaro Rally Sport/Type LT/Berlinetta
1977-81 Camaro Z28
1982-90 Camaro Z28/IROC Z
1982 Camaro Indy Pace Car
1991-92 Camaro Z28
1992 Camaro 25th Anniv
1975-77 Cosworth Vega
1976-80 Monza Spyder
1973-79 Nova SS/Rallye
1980-85 Citation X11
1987-Baretta GTU/GTS/Z26
1973 Malibu SS (including SS Wagon)
1974-76 Laguna S3
1973-75 Monte Carlo w/454
1980-82 Monte Carlo Turbo
1981 Malibu M80
1983-87 Monte Carlo SS
1986-87 Monte Carlo SS Aerocoupe
1992- Lumina Z34
1973-77 El Camino SS
1978-87 El Camino SS
1987 El Camino SS Choo Choo Express
1973-75 Caprice Convertible
1977-79 Impala/Caprice F41
1973-82 Corvette
1973-74 Corvette w/454
1973-75 Corvette Convertible
1978 Corvette Indy Pave Car/25th Anniv
1979 Corvette w/D80 Spoilers
1982 Corvette Collectors Edition
1984-89 Corvette
1984-85 Corvette Z51

Pontiac
1973 77 Ventura Rallye/SJ
1974 Ventura GTO
1973 Lemans GTO
1974-77 Lemans GT
1973-75 Grand Am
1977 Can Am
1978-80 Grand Am
1973-75 Grand Prix w/454
1976 Grand Prix 50th Anniversary
1986 Grand Prix 2+2
1989-90 600 STE AWD
1973-75 Grand Ville Convertible
1979-84 Bonneville 2-dr Bucket Seat
1989-92 Bonneville SSEi
1973-81 Formula/TransAm
1976 Trans Am Special Edition
1977 Skybird
1978 Redbird
1978 Gold Edition Trans Am
1979 10th Anniv Edition Trans Am
1980 Yellowbird
1981 Trans Am Daytona Pace Car
1982-91 Trans Am/Formula350/Formula
1983 Trans Am Recaro edition
1983 Trans Am Silver Daytona Pace Car
1984 Trans Am 15th Anniv Edition
1984 Fiero Indy Pace Car
1986-87 Fiero GT
1987-90 Trans Am GTA
1989 Trans Am Turbo

Oldsmobile
1973-77 Cutlass 442
1973-75 Hurst/Olds
1978-79 Cutlass 442
1979-86 Cutlass Calais/Salon (2-Dr)
1979 H/O
1980 Cutlass 442
1983-84 Cutlass H/O
1985-87 Cutlass 442
1973-75 Delta 88 Convertible
1977 Delta 88 Indy Pace Car
1978-84 Holiday 88
1987-92 Ninety Eight Touring Sedan
1991 Calais Quad442 W41
1992 Acheiva SCX
1973-74 Toronado w/455
1977-78 Toronado XS/XSR
1986-89 Toronado Trofeo
1990-93 Toronado Trofeo

Buick
1973-75 Century Gran Sport 455/Stage 1
1974 Apollo GSX
1975-78 Indy Pace Cars
1979-82 Century Turbo Coupe
1979-82 Regal Turbo Coupe
1979-80 Roadhawk
1981 Regal Indy Pace Car
1982 Regal Grand National
1984-87 Regal T-Type/Grand National
1986 Century Gran Sport
1987 Regal GNX
1973-75 Lesabre Convertible
1977-80 Lesabre Sport Coupe/Turbo Coupe
1981-83 Lesabre T-Type
1986 Lesabre Grand National
1987-91 Lesabre T-Type
1973 Riviera/Riviera GS
1974-76 Riviera GS/SR
1978 Riviera LXXV
1979-84 Riviera S-Type/T-Type
1985-88 Riviera T-Type
1989-92 Reatta

Cadillac
1973-76 Eldorado Convertible
1982-84 Eldorado Touring Coupe
1986-87 Deville Touring Coupe/Sedan
1988-91 Eldorado Touring Coupe
1987-91 Seville STS
1987-94 Allante

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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 12:55 PM
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Re: Having trouble recalling desirable and affordable collectible cars of the 70's & 80's

ROFL, now THAT is a list! Good one too.
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 01:16 PM
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X-11 (more specifically X-11 Club Coupe).

Worse build quality ever..or since... from GM. But when they ran, and weren't shedding parts....they were fast and fun for the day.

You don't see them anymore, since most Citations hit the junkyard, usually, 60-72 months after rolling off the assembly line.
I had two of these! One had a holley 2bbl and edlebrock aircleaner--6500rpm no problem. Don't see them much anymore though.

I met an old lady that has an 80 X-11 trunk car. Bought it brand new and still drives it. The 85's had the MPFI
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 01:27 PM
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I had two of these! One had a holley 2bbl and edlebrock aircleaner--6500rpm no problem. Don't see them much anymore though.

I met an old lady that has an 80 X-11 trunk car. Bought it brand new and still drives it. The 85's had the MPFI
I guess the MPFI motor was arguably better, but there was something pretty cool about the carb'd HO V6, with it's open element air cleaner and functional hood scoop.

Did you know that the X11 was based on the package that Jonh Hienricy put together to compete with the Citation in SCCA's Showroom Stock B class?

BTW, I used to have an '80 Citation Club Coupe (the two door with the trunk)....that was completely stripped except for 2.8 V6 and 4 speed.

It was alot of fun, but would rarely go for more than afew days without needing some repair. I sheared lots of motor mounts, powershifting into second.

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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 01:42 PM
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I1979 CHRYSLER 300: This gussied-up Chrysler Cordoba is probably the only one of the series that will ever be worth collecting.
http://www.chrysler300site.com/cgibin/history.cgi

I'll have to totally disagree with that. The 50's models are especially beautiful.
Old Dec 17, 2004 | 04:49 PM
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Thats cool.. I worked with a guy back in my home town that was in love with these cars and had three of them. White, blue and a black one (;oh he did have a 76 I think that was a rusty brown color that was his dd). Seems like the white and black cars were 350 cars (I could be wrong on this one) but I know the blue one had the 455 and with swivel front seats; it also seemed like this car was an all option car as well but I havent seen him or the cars in several years..
The 75 H/O came either in Black or White and with either the 350 or 455. I find out later that the 455 75 H/O's were rather rare. It was a loaded car pretty much. Swivel bucket seats with reversible seat cushions, A/C, front disc brakes, P/S, P/W, AM/FM with 8-track and a cool Digital Tach that was mounted on the console along with the famous Hurst Dual gate shifter.

Did I mention that I loved that car. I would really like to find another one. A few years ago there was one at Carlisle in excellent restored condition. The owner was asking 15K for it.
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Top on my list would be Panteras and any 911 with the whale tail. American cars after 74? Not too many appeal to me until the except the ZR1 Vette.

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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 11:04 PM
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This is a subject near and dear to me, as cars of the '80s and early '90s are the cars that made me love cars...and there are A LOT of collectible cars from that period...

Chevrolet:
-3rd gen Z28s and IROCs. As I've said a million times before, in the next 3 years I will own an IROC for the first time
-Beretta GTZs. 180hp Quad 4 = FUN. I found a 32k mile original near me a few months back...the guy only wanted 4 grand for it!!
-'84-'88 MC SS =
-Pretty much any Vette...although CFI cars sucked...
-'94-'96 Impala SS

Pontiac
-All Fiero GTs, but mainly '87-'88 models
-Any Formula, TA or GTA above an LG-*****
-TTA!!
-Turbo GP

Buick
-GN is still pure evil, and still has lots of street cred around here
-Reatta. Yes, I said Reatta. Ever sat in one??? Such a cool old car.

Olds
-'80s 442s. Sure, they were slow...but they sure looked the part. I drove my friend's '87 442 with 14k on it 2 years ago...I was grinning ear to ear. No wonder people loved these old Cutlasses. Most fun I've ever had driving slow!
-Aurora. Someday....someday...

Ford
-Anything Mustang with a 5.0 tag
-Thunderbird SC (guion oughta like that choice!). What a cool car when they were new...
-Ford EXP. Yes, I'm kidding.

Dodge
-Only one that got me...the Mirada Anyone remember the Mirada? I've always wanted to find a CMX (the sport model) with a factory 318 or 360 and rip the motor out and drop a crate 360 in one. What an offbeat, different car that'd be...looks were quite nice too!!

Small list, but for me those are the cars that made me love cars today. The problem is that I can picture myself easily owning quite a few. After my IROC purchase, I want a Monte SS...GNs are just too expensive and not the right brand for me. After that, maybe a Fiero?? Such cool little cars. Or how about a Formula to replace my beloved '89??

Decisions, decisions...I need more garage space
Old Dec 18, 2004 | 09:28 PM
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I was always partial to 3rd gen Firebirds and Trans Ams, especially the GTA models. I think that clean 3rd gens are already commanding a good bit of money compared to prices from a few years ago.
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These "third-generation" Camaros and Firebirds far outsold the lackluster '93-and-later "fourth-generation" cars that were recently canceled by General Motors
Lack luster?
Seriously?

The 4th gen is, IMHO, the car that got people that were looking for affordable GM performance cars back into the dealerships.
Most people I knew that were in the market during the early 90s (Pre Late 92)wanted a Fox Mustang. The LT1 won over alot of people.
The 3rd gens are cool, but I have a hard time believing the 3rd gen will beat out the 4th in the long run. The LT1 will end up being like the Fox 5.0 is now... An awesome motor to do amazing things from, that can be had cheap. The LS1 too when they come down some more in price.
Old Dec 19, 2004 | 06:05 AM
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even mentioning Camaro/Firebirds/Mustangs in this thread is way too obvious---afterall who would have trouble, recalling desirable and affordable collectible cars of the 70's & 80's-and NOT think of these???

Try to think outside the box


OzoneNorth---the 73-74 never had the 454--maybe your thinking 455??

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