We'll see. I have my doubts that they'll be able to price it that low.

Dan

 

That's not a number i just made up or an estimate...that's the official msrp from Nissan. Of course that's not accounting for dealership markups . I don't think anyone will be able to get a GTR for under 100k for a while.

 

There was talk that the R34 lost Nissan money on every single one sold.
When you next realize the development cost of the R35 - realize that they are limiting sales to numbers below the Z06, had no existing technology (like the Z06 had the C6 to start with) - and realize the carbon driveshafts, more sophisticated electronics, more expensive engine etc etc...

It comes to light that Nissan very well could intentionally lose money on each R35 sold for the image and bragging rights gained for releasing it at such a price point. And I cant blame them for any of it - its a ballsy thing to do.

 

Yes, it's possible. Smart? Not sure.

Dan

 

I'm 99% sure the chassis is heavily based off the next generation FM platform. I believe the G37 is also on this platform. The G35 and 350Z are on the last generation, and the 350Z will be transitioning come its refreshing... whenever that is.

 

This magazine cracks me up. I was bearly a paragraph into the article when they called the starter button on the Z06 "flimsy" for the GTR a "tactile delight". I decide to keep reading now for mere entertainment since it's obvious that the GTR will win on desire alone.
Then I read that the Z06 "feels absurdly muscular" sorry but these are performance cars not female body builders it's ok to have some muscle and power. Then they complain that the Z06 is accelerating too quickly at 100mph and their reaction time can't seem to catch up.
It gets better. The GTR's "DCT makes the heafy manual of the Corvette feel 200 years old". Well it should the computer does everything for you. Do they want to be seen as drivers or mearly and IT manager sitting behind the wheel?

If I was there I would have walked over and demanded the keys be given to someone who isn't intimidated by the cars power and not confused with what to do with the extra foot pedal.

Not shockingly they gave all the cars 5 stars except for the Z06. And if I read the chart correctly didn't the Z06 get to 100 first and then back to zero in a shorter total distance even with the botched raction time that put it's time .1 behind the GTR. Would that have not been worth an extra .5 Star at the end.

 

The AWD of the GTR will make bad drivers look decent, but with professional drivers in both cars I would bet the gap around a track narrows a lot.

I also still wonder if the GTR is a little under rated horsepower wise? It seems to perform pretty well for all of the weight it is carrying. But that could be the AWD, and launch control helping a lot.

How well will it hold up under those super hard launches using the launch control. I thought in the edmunds test they were mentioning how violent it was.

Either way, congrats to Nissan they made a good performer.

I am looking forward to seeing one at a HPDE in the future.

 

I'm pretty sure it's underrated. And i'd say it's probably underrated by more than just a little.

 

I thought I remember seeing a dynosheet somewhere of the new GT-R putting down 470hp at the wheels. If I am remembering correctly, than it is pretty damn underrated, and it would answer quite a few questions.

 

You're right, that could have been called before the magazine even tested the cars.

 

We'll have to wait and see what Nissan charges for it (and what they include in their warranty).

 

I didn't know that about the R34. Another example is the Veyron. Audi-VW lost a lot of money on each unit even though they were very expensive.

 

From the GTR forum.

"GTR:
Base ($69,850)
Floor Mats, iPod Interface ($70,490)
Floor Mats ($70,130)
Cold Weather Package, Floor Mats, iPod Interface ($70,490)
Cold Weather Package, Floor Mats ($70,130)

GTR Premium (Includes BOSE branded audio system, Heated Seats, Side & Curtain Air Bags):
Base ($71,900)
Floor Mats, iPod Interface ($72,540)
Floor Mats ($72,180)
Cold Weather Package, Floor Mats, iPod Interface ($72,540)
Cold Weather Package, Floor Mats ($72,180)


Color and Interior Trim Options:
Solid Red/Black Leather
Solid Red/Grey Leather
Ivory Pearl/Black Leather
Ivory Pearl/Grey Leather
Black Obsidian/Black Leather
Black Obsidian/Grey Leather
Super Silver/Black Leather Add $3,000
Super Silver/Grey Leather Add $3,000
Gun Metallic/Black Leather
Gun Metallic/Grey Leather
Titanium/Black Leather
Titanium/Grey Leather



*Winter Package contains: (no cost)
Dunlop All-season tires (wheel comes in silver rather than smoke gray)

Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) of $69,850 for the GT-R and $71,900 for the GT-R Premium model (exclusive of Destination & Handling). Customer deliveries of the new GT-R are scheduled to begin in June 2008."

does that mean the destination charge is extra? If so how much is that figuring to be?

 

A reaction time should not be part of the Elapsed Time (ET) for the vehicle performance test.

Simplistic NHRA stuff here. When the vehicle exits the beam at the start, it's this event that starts the ET timer, not how long someone is totally incognizant of that green light. This is really no different than it taking 4 tenths to stab the brakes. The other cars are accelerating at or very close to the same rate, but yet no mention of reaction time issues there.

Round these parts 4 tenths reaction is on the verge of coma or in the least heavy ....deep.... sleep. Get a new driver. Or if they were looking for ways to validate their intended outcome, they've succeeded.

 

I'm convinced that the GT-R has been heavily underrated by Nissan.

I'd also like to see the Z06 with more track-oriented tires like the GT-R has.

And I'm not sure why they're faulting the Z06 because of their lack of driving ability. If the car is accelerating too fast for you to react, then that's your problem, not the car's.

I'd also like to see the 1/4 mile results when the GT-R smacks into its 112 MPH speed limiter (not that it runs much faster anyway - R&T only hit 116 MPH with the limiter taken off).

It also strikes me that driving the GT-R isn't like driving a car. It's more like playing Gran Turismo - you don't need to be good at driving, you just need to let the computer do the work for you.