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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 11:05 AM
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Hm, did anyone else think that NG was for Natural Gas?
I know I did.
Old Oct 28, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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So will we ever see this 4.5L diesel? I know alot of people on the boating board I post on are already talking how they want to buy one of the last Sub/ Tahoe's so they have something to use for a wile.
Old Oct 28, 2008 | 11:26 AM
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Consider the source... Paul Leinert (and his spouse) have authored many anti-GM and anti-American articles in the Left leaning Detroit UN-free press and Detroit UN-news worthy. Hacks. They should be reporting from North Korea where they can bask in socialism.
Old Oct 28, 2008 | 12:30 PM
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We love our Avalanche...it does not drive as big as it is..and gets decent gas milage for it's size. I can't see an Acadia or whatever getting that much better gas milage.

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Old Oct 28, 2008 | 01:39 PM
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We lover our Avalanche...it does not drive as big as it is..and gets decent gas milage for it's size. I can't see an Acadia or whatever getting that much better gas milage.
Thats what I've been saying all along, These Lambada (whatever) vehicle's are really not that efficient, most people are saying 16-21ish which is pretty poor for what your giving up.
Old Oct 28, 2008 | 01:55 PM
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Thats what I've been saying all along, These Lambada (whatever) vehicle's are really not that efficient, most people are saying 16-21ish which is pretty poor for what your giving up.
Quote from MT's SUV of the year comparisons... there was 10 or so other SUV's and the Traverse was said to have the worst real world fuel economy of the pack:

The Traverse leads the one category it least wanted to among this year's contestants-Worst Fuel Economy. We've averaged 12.1 mpg, which includes off-road testing, a lot of idling during photo shoots, and harder than normal driving. Competitors like the Flex and Pilot have gotten 14.9 under the same conditions.
This is worse than the full size gas pig 400hp 5.7L Sequoia

Here's the whole shibang and the other contenders:

http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/..._traverse.html
Old Oct 28, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Our Avalanche gets 15-16 in mostly back roads driving.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 04:18 AM
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I'm surprised GM waited this long to pull the plug on the Tahoe/Suburban. They should have made this decision last year. The current GMT-900's are equal or better than all the current competition and with this truck/SUV market in almost total collapse there won't be any new competition for a long time. Keep building what they have and wait out this downturn in the economy and see if this market ever really gets back to pre-recession/gas crunch levels.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 07:50 AM
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Our Avalanche gets 15-16 in mostly back roads driving.
We live in a fairly hilly area, but still get atleast 14-15 out of the Tahoe. With the V8 Power, 4x4 and 6,500lbs towing capacity, I dont think it's that bad.

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The current GMT-900's are equal or better than all the current competition and with this truck/SUV market in almost total collapse there won't be any new competition for a long time. Keep building what they have and wait out this downturn in the economy and see if this market ever really gets back to pre-recession/gas crunch levels.
Absolutely! The current ones are great trucks! They just need to re-assess their production amounts, not every school teacher or solo driver needs a Tahoe to commute in anymore, but their are still plenty of family's that tow/ haul that arent turned down by the gas prices.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 09:24 AM
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My Audi A6 gets about 15 - 16 mpg with my driving (city). It's only 4050 lbs (compared to Avalanche), and has a smaller 4.2L V8.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 09:30 AM
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I plan on buying a fullsize truck or tahoe in the next 5 years; hopefully they won't stop selling them (i really don't believe they will).

They may delay a new platform for awhile, but i'm sure they will still get mid-cycle refreshes and what-not to keep them looking new.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 12:57 PM
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Remember when the GMT-900's came out...Scott said they could lose 60% of their sales volume at the time, and still be a profitable, essential peice of the puzzle for GM. I think this is more in response to trying to at least get in the same ballpark as the new CAFE standards vs. anything else. Moving the things to Lamda will certainly hurt the profitability of them.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 03:35 PM
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The C4 supposed to be replaced in the early 90s, by the C5, but kept getting delayed. The 97 C5 almost didn't happen until 98, due to belt tightening (not nearly as bad as now, however) and GM was researching adapting the new crash standards to the old C4 body. This is all they are doing now, with their Tahoe/Suburban. Just keep producing this one, and freshen it up every few years. Sounds good to me.
Old Oct 29, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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The thing is, the Corvette produces probaly less than a 1% of income or sales for GM. The GMT-900 is one of their pillars of income even at current sales levels.

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The C4 supposed to be replaced in the early 90s, by the C5, but kept getting delayed. The 97 C5 almost didn't happen until 98, due to belt tightening (not nearly as bad as now, however) and GM was researching adapting the new crash standards to the old C4 body. This is all they are doing now, with their Tahoe/Suburban. Just keep producing this one, and freshen it up every few years. Sounds good to me.
Old Oct 30, 2008 | 12:01 PM
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The only gripe that I've heard about the new Suburbans is that the strongest engine is the 6.0L. There are people who want/need engines that make more torque than that. The Suburban needs either a diesel, a big block, a supercharged engine, or a direct injected larger displacement small block. A SIDI 7.0L tuned for low RPM truck work would be awesome!

For most of those people who want more torque, the 6.0L would work fine. It just isn't as comfortable towing with it compared to, say the 8.1L. The 6.0L needs to downshift a lot more when pulling uphill.

I have a feeling that there are a lot of people (on here even) who don't realize why so many people like the Suburban.

My dad's 2001 3/4 ton 8.1L has served him very well, but it is getting up there in mileage. He has to be getting close to 200k miles by now. He can afford anything on the market (for example, my mom's car is a 2008 S550) but he has kept that Suburban. He wants a new one, but like I already mentioned, he just doesn't like the 6.0L that the Suburban has.

He does like the 6.0L LS2 in his Corvette though!



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