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Old Jan 18, 2011 | 03:16 PM
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GM targeting the Ford Raptor

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/12...d-concept.html

Old Jan 18, 2011 | 03:26 PM
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You need to visit the site more often, this truck is old news


Good article though, I'm glad you posted it.
Old Jan 18, 2011 | 03:35 PM
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gas engine in the Sierra AT HD would reduce its price point to probably around the low $50,000s. At that point, it becomes a viable sales competitor to the Raptor and Power Wagon.
At that price point, it'd still be $10k more than the Raptor... I like the idea, but the lower entry point of the Raptor is pretty awesome.
Old Jan 18, 2011 | 03:42 PM
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With everyone (Ford/Dodge) chasing the off road market shouldn't GM try to capitalize on the fast sport truck segment. How about putting the L92 6.2L in a 2WD regular & ext cab truck with 22" wheels and calling it Silverado 376 SS. They could even build a high end version with the LSA. Market is wide open for a product like that, while the off road segment is getting crowded.
Old Jan 18, 2011 | 04:14 PM
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The scrubbed 4.5 diesel would have been perfect.
Old Jan 18, 2011 | 09:42 PM
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GM does not have the *****...
Old Jan 18, 2011 | 09:44 PM
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GM does not have the *****...
You are correct.

Fortunately I know where they can pick up some seldom used pairs for cheap.
Old Jan 18, 2011 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
With everyone (Ford/Dodge) chasing the off road market shouldn't GM try to capitalize on the fast sport truck segment. How about putting the L92 6.2L in a 2WD regular & ext cab truck with 22" wheels and calling it Silverado 376 SS. They could even build a high end version with the LSA. Market is wide open for a product like that, while the off road segment is getting crowded.
Because GM doesn't work that way. They prefer being late to the party.

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GM does not have the *****...
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 12:12 AM
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Well, considering that they would not be making the modifications for the truck, an outside company would, that would also raise the price.

As shown, expect $65K.

Now, what we will probably get, is a HD diesel "off-road" package, with front skid plates, a lift, and big wheels and tires. It will "look" like it can go off-road.
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 12:24 AM
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The scrubbed 4.5 diesel would have been perfect.
Not in that truck it wouldn't. Even in a 1500-based off-roader, 300 hp / 520 lb-ft would be pretty tame next to the Raptor's new 400hp 6.2L.

But this truck is a jacked up 2500HD. It would weigh damn near 8000 lbs (if not more) as it sits in these pics.

IMO, that fact means it is NOT intended to be a Raptor competitor (at least not in direct capability terms), however badass the truck is.
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 01:57 AM
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Re: GM targeting the Ford Raptor

Originally Posted by Z28x
With everyone (Ford/Dodge) chasing the off road market shouldn't GM try to capitalize on the fast sport truck segment. How about putting the L92 6.2L in a 2WD regular & ext cab truck with 22" wheels and calling it Silverado 376 SS. They could even build a high end version with the LSA. Market is wide open for a product like that, while the off road segment is getting crowded.
I still think a detuned version of the LS7 would be a heck of a truck engine! Switch out the Titanium parts for steel, reduce the static compression ratio a bit, swap in the LSA camshaft, put a longer runner intake and you've got a torquey 427 SS. Heck, that would be a nice engine in the heavy Camaro too.

I know that a supercharged 6.2L will get better fuel economy and lower emissions than a naturally aspirated 7.0L while producing more power and torque, but that's not the point!
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 02:06 AM
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Why not use the Colorado for an offroad platform? I like trucks that can fit between trees.

5 or 6 cyl turbo or even diesel on a slightly lifted colorado with heavy duty shocks and drivetrain would be badass.
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SSCamaro99_3
The scrubbed 4.5 diesel would have been perfect.
Getting rid of that engine was a HUGE mistake.

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Not in that truck it wouldn't. Even in a 1500-based off-roader, 300 hp / 520 lb-ft would be pretty tame next to the Raptor's new 400hp 6.2L.
The Raptor has 434 lb-ft of torque.

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Why not use the Colorado for an offroad platform? I like trucks that can fit between trees.

5 or 6 cyl turbo or even diesel on a slightly lifted colorado with heavy duty shocks and drivetrain would be badass.
Because then people would buy it. GMs goal is to make the Colorado as Sh!tty as possible so Chevy fans have to buy the more profitable Silverado.
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 08:31 AM
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Getting rid of that engine was a HUGE mistake.
I agree. Would have been awesome in the half tons and SUVs.
The Raptor has 434 lb-ft of torque.
Yes. Suppose that 300 hp / 520 lb-ft baby duramax were an option in the 1500 pickups. Do you think they would out-accelerate the same truck with the 403 hp 6.2L L92 engine? The baby Duramax wouldn't be a slouch, but I don't think you'd see 6.1 second 0-60 times.

Anyway, the bigger point was that the baby duramax would not be close to the Raptor's performace if the GM truck is an HD model, as this concept is. ~ 400 hp / 434 lb-ft in a ~6000 lb truck would beat 300 hp / 520 lb-ft in an 8000 lb truck.
Old Jan 19, 2011 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
I agree. Would have been awesome in the half tons and SUVs.Yes. Suppose that 300 hp / 520 lb-ft baby duramax were an option in the 1500 pickups. Do you think they would out-accelerate the same truck with the 403 hp 6.2L L92 engine? The baby Duramax wouldn't be a slouch, but I don't think you'd see 6.1 second 0-60 times.

Anyway, the bigger point was that the baby duramax would not be close to the Raptor's performace if the GM truck is an HD model, as this concept is. ~ 400 hp / 434 lb-ft in a ~6000 lb truck would beat 300 hp / 520 lb-ft in an 8000 lb truck.
Is 0-60 that important in an off road vehicle? Jeep Wrangler guys never seem to talk about 0-60. I always thought low end torque was what was important to the off road community.

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