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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 10:30 AM
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GM sales forecast to plunge 32%

If true this would be the biggest drop since after 9/11 and its unlikely 0% financing will have the exact same affect it had back in late 2002, but it should help clear out some 06's.

GM sales forecast to plunge

Auto sales tracker Edmunds.com forecasts a 32 percent drop in sales at troubled No. 1 automaker from year-ago sales record; gains expected to continue at Toyota, Honda.

June 28 2006: 11:06 AM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors could see U.S. June sales down almost a third from a year ago, the sharpest year-over-year drop at the embattled automaker since 2002, according to a forecast from Edmunds.com.

If Edmunds is right, the decline would be worse than expected.

A sharp drop in sales would not be a complete surprise, however.

Mark Sleeve, GM vice president, North America vehicle sales, service and marketing, told analysts Tuesday that the company's record sales in June 2005, coupled with weaker industrywide sales in the face of high gasoline prices this year, would create "especially brutal" June comparisons.

GM's popular "employee discount" incentive sparked high sales a year ago. Ford and Chrysler followed GM in that offer a little later, but in June GM had the field to itself, and it sold a record 550,829 autos in the United States.

"Last summer, the domestics enjoyed great success because of the employee discount program," said Jesse Toprak, executive director of industry analysis for Edmunds.com. "They haven't yet found the silver bullet for 2006, but they sure could use it."

As bad as the year-over-year sales would be, Edmunds forecast of GM sales of 376,000 vehicles in June would actually be up 11 percent from its weak May 2006 sales total.

GM executives said Tuesday that its 2006 sales have been hurt by an industry shift away from light trucks, a category that includes traditional Suva's and pickups, as well as the company's decision to cut back on less profitable "fleet" sales to corporate customers, especially rental car companies. GM's loss of retail market share would be far less than its over drop in sales, the company predicted.

Still a 32 percent drop would be the biggest since a 31.9 percent decline in October 2002, which was also a comparison to a month with a popular sales incentive - GM's introduction of zero-interest financing in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack a year earlier.

GM has been trying to wean its customers from those kind of costly incentives. It has cut both the list price and the value of incentives on most of its models.

But now, with Chrysler and Ford (Charts) offering new incentive programs to clear out their 2005 models, GM brought back zero-interest financing Tuesday, announcing it would offer that incentive through July 5.

Edmunds.com also forecasts that Ford's June sales will be down, but only 4 percent from a year earlier. Sales at Chrysler, the North American unit of DaimlerChrysler (Charts), are forecast to be down 7 percent, falling well behind Toyota Motor (Charts), which Edmunds expects to post a 19 percent rise from year-ago sales.

Honda Motor (Charts) is also forecast to see sharply improved sales. Edmunds forecasts a rise of 12 percent there, while Nissan (Charts), the No. 3 Japanese automaker in terms of U.S. sales, is expected to see its sales slip 3 percent from a year earlier
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 10:58 AM
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That stinks, but I suppose it's to be expected when you compare to the first month that everyone could by GM cars at employee prices.

It will be interesting to see how Ford and Chrysler stack up when they start to compare to months when they had the employee pricing.

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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 11:19 AM
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It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

It's not on accident that the 31.9 drop GM had back in October 2002 just happened to occur in the same month of the technical bottom of the last economic recession. So either GM's June plunge will mark either a short term bump in the road or the beginning of something much worse.

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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 11:26 AM
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I don't know as I'm not in the Auto Industry.

But I think selling 376k vehicles at a PROFIT would be better then selling 550k vehicles at next to nothing.

But again; I'm no expert.
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrome383Z
I don't know as I'm not in the Auto Industry.

But I think selling 376k vehicles at a PROFIT would be better then selling 550k vehicles at next to nothing.

But again; I'm no expert.
In the end, the papers are just worried about what a GM 32% sales decrease will make for the headlines.

GM could make $5,000 on every car sold, turn a profit every quarter, but if it suits the papers to run a story like the one we got, then by God it will happen.
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 02:08 PM
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Yeah, BS. If GM was financially sound, they would get much better treatment by the press.
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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Who would've thought screwing people over with inferior quality for several years would come back to get you?
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mr00jimbo
Who would've thought screwing people over with inferior quality for several years would come back to get you?
Who would have thought that GM would have taken 7 awards in the latest initial quality survey by JD Power & Associates.

Or, the fact that the perception gap is so far behind actual times in terms of actual quality.

Or, the fact that Toyota (the maker of your Corolla) has a higher percentage of recalls than the worlds #1 automaker, General Motors.

Interesting.
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 02:26 PM
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In the end, the papers are just worried about what a GM 32% sales decrease will make for the headlines.

GM could make $5,000 on every car sold, turn a profit every quarter, but if it suits the papers to run a story like the one we got, then by God it will happen.
I agree that Newspapers as well as Auto Magazines unfairly 'over-critique' GM vehicles while they let similar and/or worse offenses by import brands escape under the radar.

While the press does take some of the blame, in the end GM's problems are the result of decades of poor decisions (by lots of different people) and unfortunately the consequences directly related to those poor decisions are coming to fruition.

Borrowing, refinancing, selling off assets, laying off workers, and etc can help delay solving inherant structural problems, but by themselves they won't completely solve it (even though some of those problems might be part of the overall structure).

GM's problems are structural and not cyclical and therefore their problems are internal and not external.

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Old Jun 28, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by johnsocal
GM's problems are structural and not cyclical and therefore their problems are internal and not external.
I am kinda curious as to any changes going on at GM Corporate. Anyone have any info on this?
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 03:02 PM
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I think the company should film their turn around just like Ford is doing and post it on the Internet.

It would be fantastic and hey, lets put it on A&E or the Discovery Channel so it can be a ratings phenom so marketing dollars can be made off of it.

No, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being serious. Imagine a reality TV show on the worlds #1 automaker through bad times leading into good times. It would be excellent.
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 03:11 PM
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Imagine a reality TV show on the worlds #1 automaker through bad times leading into good times. It would be excellent.
Not a bad idea at all.
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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Re: GM sales forecast to plunge 32%

Originally Posted by Josh452
I think the company should film their turn around just like Ford is doing and post it on the Internet.

It would be fantastic and hey, lets put it on A&E or the Discovery Channel so it can be a ratings phenom so marketing dollars can be made off of it.

No, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being serious. Imagine a reality TV show on the worlds #1 automaker through bad times leading into good times. It would be excellent.
I had a similar though about that and GM advertising taking a more aggressive turn to actually point out some things that are changing. I just dont see why not.
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 05:20 PM
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It doesn't look good in print, but I don't think its as bad as it sounds. Comparing June '06 numbers to the firesales they were having last year at this time....thats kind of misleading. I wonder how the '06 number compares to other June numbers from the last 5-10 years?
Old Jun 28, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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What we really need are more media outlets that will run good news about <insert favorite car company here> and bad news about <insert least favorite car company here>. That is apparently the only thing that will make people happy.



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