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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Z28x
I think a CTS stretched 4 in. could nicely fill in the gap of the STS and DTS. CLS?
No plans for that.

After 2010 the STS is dead. DTS's Zeta replacement is also dead. The DTS however, gets a reprieve, and will soldier on a while longer. It'll probably lose it's Northstar though, which is too bad.

Other than the versions of the CTS coming, it doesn't sound like there is much to cheer about at Cadillac for the next few years.


Alpha can't come soon enough......
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 03:48 PM
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so all that work and effort to change cadillac's image into what it is today is slowly going down the tubes...
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 04:04 PM
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They are bringing over a new BLS which will be RWD to compete with the BMW 3 Series, meaning the CTS will get more expensive and compete with the 5 Series
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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so all that work and effort to change cadillac's image into what it is today is slowly going down the tubes...
That risk definitely exists. Alot also depends on who would be running Caddy, once Taylor leaves.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
No plans for that.

After 2010 the STS is dead. DTS's Zeta replacement is also dead. The DTS however, gets a reprieve, and will soldier on a while longer. It'll probably lose it's Northstar though, which is too bad.

Other than the versions of the CTS coming, it doesn't sound like there is much to cheer about at Cadillac for the next few years.


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So when does GM kill off the XLR?
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 04:30 PM
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So when does GM kill off the XLR?
Hopefully they replace it with something actually worth the price. Imagine the performance, design, and build quality philosophy seen in the CTS-V taken to the level of a $100k+ sports car
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
So when does GM kill off the XLR?
CTS-V convertible would be a nice replacement.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 05:19 PM
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Hopefully they replace it with something actually worth the price.
Hopefully. I wonder what the XLR profit margins are though, and if cancelling it would actually divert money to other programs.

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CTS-V convertible would be a nice replacement.
If the XLR was killed, that makes the most sense.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
So when does GM kill off the XLR?
Probably stays around as long as the C6 does. After that, it's gone.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 11:41 PM
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I can't fully understand those of you who feel that Pontiac has an identity crisis. I'm not great with automotive history, but can anyone point to a model year lineup from pontiac that included ONLY performance minded cars? Or ONLY <fill in the blank> minded cars? It seems to me that their lineup had always included economy sub-compacts, mid sized coupes/sedans, sport coupes and large sedans.
While Pontiac did make the plebian cars, their line-ups in the late '50s, '60s, and early '70s ALWAYS included options to turn those plebian cars into barn stormers.
In 1969, you had the Firebird & Trans Am. The Firebird Sprint came with a 250 CI OHC straight six with a 4 bbl carb. It had 230 HP and got great mileage (for the time). And you could outfit a Firebird right up to the 335 horse RAIII. And a T/A could go to the 345 horse RAIV.
There was a 330 horse 350 available in the LeMans in '69. The GTO could be had with the 370 horse RAIV.
The Grand Prix had a plethora of engine availability all the way up to the 390 horse 428 H.O.
The full size cars could go as high as a 360 horse 428.
ALL of these cars could be optioned with manual transmissions, bigger wheels & tires, sport suspensions, bigger brakes, etc.
And this was just in 1969.
I saw a '67 Catalina hardtop at a local car show this year. It had a 360 horse428 with the 4-spd manual trans. It was pretty loaded up, too. VERY COOL car.

I could go on & on & on, but I don't feel like typing. There are SEVERAL good books out there outlining Pontiac's performance history. Quite impressive.

Back then, performance was not Pontiac's middle name. It was it's first, middle, AND last name.
Old Dec 3, 2008 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
No plans for that.

After 2010 the STS is dead. DTS's Zeta replacement is also dead. The DTS however, gets a reprieve, and will soldier on a while longer. It'll probably lose it's Northstar though, which is too bad.
Necessary. The fuel mileage of the DTS Northstar is terrible, and power is less than V6s 3/4 the size.

Other than low power and high fuel consumption it's great. Unfortunately, "smooth" is about all that's left.

It's too bad that the DTS will be allowed to become obsolete like the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis.

The thing is, it doesn't have the livery services to keep it around like the Town Car. I guess there's still a lot of demand for newly-built old cars in Cadillac-land.
Old Dec 3, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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So how much longer will DTS get to live? 2012?

And what other variants of CTS are coming? Coupe and V Coupe?
Old Dec 3, 2008 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by teal98
Necessary. The fuel mileage of the DTS Northstar is terrible, and power is less than V6s 3/4 the size.

Other than low power and high fuel consumption it's great. Unfortunately, "smooth" is about all that's left.

It's too bad that the DTS will be allowed to become obsolete like the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis.

The thing is, it doesn't have the livery services to keep it around like the Town Car. I guess there's still a lot of demand for newly-built old cars in Cadillac-land.
I don't think the DTS will wither on for 20 years like the Panther cars have been.
Old Dec 4, 2008 | 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
I don't think the DTS will wither on for 20 years like the Panther cars have been.
Isn't it heavily based on the the old DeVille, which first debuted in 1985? I'm not sure about that, but there is a clear line from the 1995 Aurora and DeVille. The engine and transmission are only mildly updated since then.

Imagine BMW trying to sell a 740i with a 282hp V8 and 5 spd auto from 1995...

Oh well, no point beating this dead horse. Hopefully GM will be able to make all Cadillac models first rate soon.
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