GM to Offer Vortec HP3 8100 V-8 Crate Engine in 2003
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GM to Offer Vortec HP3 8100 V-8 Crate Engine in 2003
Z284ever mentioned this in the Silverado SS post..
Here's some mroe details, from CNN of all places..
http://money.cnn.com/services/ticker...2003.20042.htm
2003 Vortec HP3 8100 High Performance Crate Engine
Specifications
Type: 8.1L V8
Displacement: 8127 cc (496 cu.in.)
Compression ratio: 9.1:1
Valve Config.: Pushrod actuated overhead canted valves ( 2 valves
per cylinder )
Valve Lifters: Hydraulic roller
Firing Order: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Bore & Stroke: 107.95 x 111.00mm (4.25 x 4.37 in.)
Main Bearing Caps: 4-bolt cast iron
Balance Method: Internal engine balance
Intake Manifold: Factory-installed PFI (equal length runner) manifold
Oil Pan Capacity: 8 qt. (7 quart fill level after system charge)
Fuel Type: Gasoline (unleaded) (87 octane)
Fuel System: Port fuel injection
Horsepower: 525HP @ 5400 RPM
Torque (lb-ft): 560 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM
Engine Rotation: Clockwise (facing front of engine)
Spark Plugs: Platinum (1.5-mm gap )
Emissions Controls: Internal PCV orifice system
Paint Protection: Component painted
Shipping Weight: 734.14 lb (333 kg)
Materials
Block: Cast iron
Cylinder Head: Cast iron
Intake Manifold: Coated cast aluminum
Main Bearing Caps: Cast nodular iron
Crankshaft: Cast nodular iron
Camshaft: Steel
Connecting Rods: Forged steel (1141SAE shot-peened and magnafluxed
with 9mm diameter bolts)
Pistons: Hypereutectic coated cast aluminum
Manufacturing
Assembly Site: Tonawanda, New York
Here's some mroe details, from CNN of all places..
http://money.cnn.com/services/ticker...2003.20042.htm
2003 Vortec HP3 8100 High Performance Crate Engine
Specifications
Type: 8.1L V8
Displacement: 8127 cc (496 cu.in.)
Compression ratio: 9.1:1
Valve Config.: Pushrod actuated overhead canted valves ( 2 valves
per cylinder )
Valve Lifters: Hydraulic roller
Firing Order: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Bore & Stroke: 107.95 x 111.00mm (4.25 x 4.37 in.)
Main Bearing Caps: 4-bolt cast iron
Balance Method: Internal engine balance
Intake Manifold: Factory-installed PFI (equal length runner) manifold
Oil Pan Capacity: 8 qt. (7 quart fill level after system charge)
Fuel Type: Gasoline (unleaded) (87 octane)
Fuel System: Port fuel injection
Horsepower: 525HP @ 5400 RPM
Torque (lb-ft): 560 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM
Engine Rotation: Clockwise (facing front of engine)
Spark Plugs: Platinum (1.5-mm gap )
Emissions Controls: Internal PCV orifice system
Paint Protection: Component painted
Shipping Weight: 734.14 lb (333 kg)
Materials
Block: Cast iron
Cylinder Head: Cast iron
Intake Manifold: Coated cast aluminum
Main Bearing Caps: Cast nodular iron
Crankshaft: Cast nodular iron
Camshaft: Steel
Connecting Rods: Forged steel (1141SAE shot-peened and magnafluxed
with 9mm diameter bolts)
Pistons: Hypereutectic coated cast aluminum
Manufacturing
Assembly Site: Tonawanda, New York
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Other than trucks, can you put this engine into anything?
The figures for HP and TQ are really nice. A factory engine with over 500 HP and 560 TQ is impressive to me, though it is hugely displaced at 496 ci.
The figures for HP and TQ are really nice. A factory engine with over 500 HP and 560 TQ is impressive to me, though it is hugely displaced at 496 ci.
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I was just about to start a topic on this new GM crate engine as well as the new Ford 5.0 Crate motor.
Since the GM was already posted and starting a whole new topic on the Ford one alone wouldn't make much sense, i'll just post it here. I found this on stangnet.
Since the GM was already posted and starting a whole new topic on the Ford one alone wouldn't make much sense, i'll just post it here. I found this on stangnet.
FRT 5.0-liter 'Cammer' crate engine
Ford Racing Technology will revolutionize the crate-engine concept when its new 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine becomes available in 2003. Instead of modifying a standard production engine to suit non-stock applications, Ford Racing specifically designed the Cammer to be one of the most technologically advanced crate engines any manufacturer has ever offered.
This high-performance retrofit is an all-aluminum, overhead-cam, 4-valve engine that is a perfect repowering upgrade for vintage Mustangs, street rods, and classic truck projects.
According to Ford Racing Technology engine engineer Andy Schwartz, “The 5.0-liter Cammer delivers a healthy 425-430 horsepower at 6700 rpm. The torque curve peaks with 370 foot-pounds at 4000 rpm.”
The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine is based on the SVT Mustang Cobra’s 4.6-liter 4-valve V-8. However, the crate version has several unique qualities and components, including:
Larger cylinders (94mm vs. 90.2mm) for 5.0 liters of piston displacement
Flanged cylinder liners
Reinforced crankcase web areas
Forged pistons
11.0:1 compression ratio
Ported heads
Higher-lift cams (12mm vs. 10mm)
Beehive-shaped valve springs to accommodate the higher lift
Modified roller-finger followers
Multi-layer steel-insert head gaskets
Higher-flow fuel injectors
3-piece cast-magnesium variable geometry intake manifold
Higher-flow, dual-cone-spray fuel injectors
The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine will be shipped with a stock Mustang Cobra oil pan and exhaust manifolds. Installation will be eased substantially by a choice of six different 4.6-liter 4-valve modular wiring harnesses being created specifically for the 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine.
“We intend to grow the interest in overhead-cam technology,” said Dan Davis, director, Ford Racing Technology. “This is the future for tuners, project-vehicle builders and aftermarket car and truck enthusiasts. There’s no reason why a crate engine can’t start and perform as well in an aftermarket setting as the engines in production automobiles and trucks do. The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine will provide top performance, a slick underhood appearance and excellent driveability without the hassles attached to carburetors and distributors.”
Ford Racing Technology will revolutionize the crate-engine concept when its new 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine becomes available in 2003. Instead of modifying a standard production engine to suit non-stock applications, Ford Racing specifically designed the Cammer to be one of the most technologically advanced crate engines any manufacturer has ever offered.
This high-performance retrofit is an all-aluminum, overhead-cam, 4-valve engine that is a perfect repowering upgrade for vintage Mustangs, street rods, and classic truck projects.
According to Ford Racing Technology engine engineer Andy Schwartz, “The 5.0-liter Cammer delivers a healthy 425-430 horsepower at 6700 rpm. The torque curve peaks with 370 foot-pounds at 4000 rpm.”
The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine is based on the SVT Mustang Cobra’s 4.6-liter 4-valve V-8. However, the crate version has several unique qualities and components, including:
Larger cylinders (94mm vs. 90.2mm) for 5.0 liters of piston displacement
Flanged cylinder liners
Reinforced crankcase web areas
Forged pistons
11.0:1 compression ratio
Ported heads
Higher-lift cams (12mm vs. 10mm)
Beehive-shaped valve springs to accommodate the higher lift
Modified roller-finger followers
Multi-layer steel-insert head gaskets
Higher-flow fuel injectors
3-piece cast-magnesium variable geometry intake manifold
Higher-flow, dual-cone-spray fuel injectors
The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine will be shipped with a stock Mustang Cobra oil pan and exhaust manifolds. Installation will be eased substantially by a choice of six different 4.6-liter 4-valve modular wiring harnesses being created specifically for the 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine.
“We intend to grow the interest in overhead-cam technology,” said Dan Davis, director, Ford Racing Technology. “This is the future for tuners, project-vehicle builders and aftermarket car and truck enthusiasts. There’s no reason why a crate engine can’t start and perform as well in an aftermarket setting as the engines in production automobiles and trucks do. The 5.0-liter Cammer crate engine will provide top performance, a slick underhood appearance and excellent driveability without the hassles attached to carburetors and distributors.”
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Originally posted by coldasice
I like the Ford engine better.
I like the Ford engine better.
I figure you could probably cram the 8.1L engine in just about anything a BBC would fit in.. anyone have any experience with these engines?
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Guessing that's the same 5.0 headed for production. Here's some pics
http://www.funfordevents.com/Dennis/SEMA/DSC00023.JPG
http://www.funfordevents.com/Dennis/SEMA/DSC00026.JPG
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthrea...hreadid=236891
http://www.funfordevents.com/Dennis/SEMA/DSC00023.JPG
http://www.funfordevents.com/Dennis/SEMA/DSC00026.JPG
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthrea...hreadid=236891
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To bad the title of this thread doesn't say " GM to offerVortec HP3 V-8 Crate Engine in Silveraso reg/sht SS. Corvette, and a new %th gen Camaro!!!!!!! Oh wait this isnt DODGE!!!!
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Originally posted by RiceEating5.0
I was just about to start a topic on this new GM crate engine as well as the new Ford 5.0 Crate motor.
I was just about to start a topic on this new GM crate engine as well as the new Ford 5.0 Crate motor.
By the same token, a tuned Vortec 8100 would have made a great production engine in ANY GM VEHICLE. Call me a devils advocate, but a 500hp big-block SSR would have been a real Viper slayer.
How does "SSR 496" sound?
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Originally posted by redzed
I think it's a great pity that the 5.0 "Cammer" Crate Motor didn't make it to the production Cobra. I'd been hoping that the FR500 concept car would form the basis of the next performance Mustang - I guess that's never going to happen.
I think it's a great pity that the 5.0 "Cammer" Crate Motor didn't make it to the production Cobra. I'd been hoping that the FR500 concept car would form the basis of the next performance Mustang - I guess that's never going to happen.
Here's part of his quote
It looks like a possible motor that was rumored to be in the 03 cobras, Colleti said in one of the terminator articles that they were trying a normally aspirated route, but ran out of time.
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Originally posted by RiceEating5.0
Well someone over at stangnet said that this was "probably" the engine Ford had in plan for the 2003 Cobra, just that they ran out of time and couldn't have it ready before the deadline so they went the S/c route. I don't know how much of that is true. The same guy said something about how Colleti (sp?) initially wanted the 2003 390hp Cobra to be N/A.
Here's part of his quote
The next Cobra or BOSS will have 390+ horses and will most likely be N/A so an engine like this might go in it. 430hp....370lb-ft of Tq.....302ci...hmmm..return of the BOSS 302.
Well someone over at stangnet said that this was "probably" the engine Ford had in plan for the 2003 Cobra, just that they ran out of time and couldn't have it ready before the deadline so they went the S/c route. I don't know how much of that is true. The same guy said something about how Colleti (sp?) initially wanted the 2003 390hp Cobra to be N/A.
Here's part of his quote
The next Cobra or BOSS will have 390+ horses and will most likely be N/A so an engine like this might go in it. 430hp....370lb-ft of Tq.....302ci...hmmm..return of the BOSS 302
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Originally posted by guionM
Word is it will be in the 2004 Boss Mustang, which will be based on the current Mustang body. Sort of the last Hurrah. It will also be the quickest of the "special edition" Mustangs.
Word is it will be in the 2004 Boss Mustang, which will be based on the current Mustang body. Sort of the last Hurrah. It will also be the quickest of the "special edition" Mustangs.
FORDhehe, i am sick of this body style already though, saving for the maro, er, gto
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Originally posted by guionM
Word is it will be in the 2004 Boss Mustang, which will be based on the current Mustang body. Sort of the last Hurrah. It will also be the quickest of the "special edition" Mustangs.
Word is it will be in the 2004 Boss Mustang, which will be based on the current Mustang body. Sort of the last Hurrah. It will also be the quickest of the "special edition" Mustangs.
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Originally posted by RiceEating5.0
Sounds good. So do you think the BOSS mustang is a 1 year type deal? If not, will it see a power increase for 2005 when the new body debuts? Why would Ford invest the time and money on a 390hp 2003 Cobra and now the possible 2004 4XXhp BOSS when an all new mustang is a year or 2 away? Especially when it's main competitor is put on the back burner. Wouldn't it make more sense to debut all this with the all-new 2005 mustang?
Sounds good. So do you think the BOSS mustang is a 1 year type deal? If not, will it see a power increase for 2005 when the new body debuts? Why would Ford invest the time and money on a 390hp 2003 Cobra and now the possible 2004 4XXhp BOSS when an all new mustang is a year or 2 away? Especially when it's main competitor is put on the back burner. Wouldn't it make more sense to debut all this with the all-new 2005 mustang?