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Old Sep 13, 2003 | 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by PacerX
A small amount of mass (unmeasureable in terms of standard chemistry practices) is converted to energy during combustion.

If you look at things in an Einsteinian way, instead of Newtonian, it works.

"Mass is not created nor destroyed."

Depends on what you call "destroyed" or "created" as mass and energy are interchangeable.


In fusion or fission, a MUCH larger amount of mass is expended... i.e. turned into energy.
This is correct, even though the amount of mass that is converted into energy via an internal combustion engine is only measurable on the atomic scale. And actually, mass can be created out of quantum flucuations of the space-time continum in the form of matter-antimatter particles. Isn't quatum theory grand?
Old Sep 14, 2003 | 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by DOOM Master
This is correct, even though the amount of mass that is converted into energy via an internal combustion engine is only measurable on the atomic scale. And actually, mass can be created out of quantum flucuations of the space-time continum in the form of matter-antimatter particles. Isn't quatum theory grand?
lol, yeah guys you are right though I think this goes a little outside the topic of the basic operation of an ICE.
I think that the newtonian theory is more than adequate for this. It is adequate for all of my thermodynamic classes and all of the related industires (Power generation, HVAC, Jet propulsion, etc.).
Old Sep 14, 2003 | 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by PacerX
Nobody else answered it, but here's the short explanation for why the exhaust valves can be smaller:

Hot gases, such as those in the cylinder, have residual energy after forcing the piston down the bore, not much mass has been lost by combustion (very little), but they are occupying the same volume as they did previously, but at a much higher temperature and therefore pressure.

The difference in pressure between the exhaust manifold and the cylinder helps force the spent gases in the cylinder out, kind of like when you shake up a bottle of pop and open the top.

Because this difference in pressure is working in favor of the motor in this case, so the exhaust valve can be much smaller than the intake valve and still efficiently flow the exhaust gases out.
hm. i can see that. but even with this effect if the exhaust ports are still larger or less resistive, it can only help move the air out. up to a point obviously.
Old Sep 14, 2003 | 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by 92RS shearn
lol, yeah guys you are right though I think this goes a little outside the topic of the basic operation of an ICE.
I think that the newtonian theory is more than adequate for this. It is adequate for all of my thermodynamic classes and all of the related industires (Power generation, HVAC, Jet propulsion, etc.).
True, in this case it's just a little footnote that doesn't need to be dealt with for all practical purposes. But I like to study quantum theory in my spare time, so I thought it would be fun to point out. Maybe one day, it will be important in our anti-gravity hovercars!
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 01:51 PM
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Depending on the application, a 3-valve head can outflow a 4-valve head.

3 valves can occupy up a combustion chamber head more efficiently than 4. Larger port area vs. port perimiter.

Honda uses 3 valve heads on most of their narrow-angle V motorcycle engines, engines that develope thier peak HP below 8000rpm.

Two large intake valves and one even larger exhaust valve, compared to two intakes and two smaller exhausts.

Plus, three valves can fit two spark plugs eiser than four valves.

And yes, emmisions can be lower.

Three valves sounds like a logical progresion for the Gen IV. Mercedes is using three valves now.
Old Sep 16, 2003 | 03:04 PM
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I wonder how much of the technology that was developed in the xv8 experimental engine that they built will be in the new gen 4 engines

http://www.gminsidenews.com/xv82.htm

Are they ever going to put this engine or the dual camshaft concept into production?
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