I was saying that I don't want a name that I like on a crappy car - that was the whole point. And I agree that I can see GM going for the whole inspiring, Americana image-and I wouldn't be suprised if they did a poor job doing it. I was saying I would prefer they not do that and make something good to put on the camaro name.

I got your point Julie.

 

No apologies needed, I'm just baffled that you feel that that list of articles that I posted that tell the story of why no one's mentioning Camaro is speculation, that's all.

Let's be honest here, you will not be satisfied till you get an official GM worldwide press release on this subject, regardless to what is posted here, even if Bob Lutz himself posts it .

Unlike the Z28.com lounge, you actually have real people here that either work in the industry or follow's what happens in the industry very closely. There have even been storys in car mags that got their information from this site!

I'm not offened or upset or anything like that. I just feel that you expect GM to post an official announcement on an internet website in cyberspace, and to be frank about it..... it AIN'T gonna happen!

Cheers&gears.com is the only website that probally has as many or even more people directly associated with the industry as members, and you most certainly won't see GM posting press releases there either.

So if you actually want direct info from GM, go to www.media.gm.com register there like alot of us here has, and then wait till late 2005 or 2006 before GM makes an announcement 8-12 months before actually producing the car. That way you will get the "official" word when GM's ready to publically release that information.

Otherwise, you will have to go by the "speculations" of us knownothings who either work for GM designing or engineering the actual cars, and those of us who talk to people who are actually designing or engineering the cars, and the one person whose job was directly invoolved with the Camaro line at GM since the 1970s, and a whole host of other people here who have made a habit or hobby of following & writing about what's coming down the line.

This AINT "The Lounge" my friend.

 

Well putting it that way, you made me a lot more confident about the issue of a Camaro returning. Seriously, I'm just an enthuisast that wishes to see these magnificent cars coming back to life

 

Guion's post is fact, not speculation. Even his speculation on inside stuff is usually fact.

 

Didnt the camaro die because of the st. theresa plant? I know GM wanted to get outta there, and that, the st. theresea plant had the rights to camaro and firebird. So inorder to avoid a lawsuit they would have to deny any concept camaro's or trans ams for future legality problems.

But what i dont get is why gm wanted to get outta the st. theresa plant? i mean the govenrment gave them intrerest free loans, as well as certain incentives...all gm had to do was keep the plant open. Not a bad deal if you ask me. But then gm wanted to get outta there so they now have to find the workers replacement jobs, as well as demolish the plant so that they can make the new camaro without fear of legal retaliation.

So what it boils down to is GM, cant say they are planning anything or they look 2 faced and will be threatened by a law suite. Also GM would be stupid as hell if they were to let there only affordable RWD V8 performance platform to die...since they will lose all those sales to the mustang. And with the upcomeing 05 stang i am sure they will already take a big hit.

So it is in GM's own best interest to bring back the camaro and trans am. I think that the gto will take the place as a luxury model kinda like corvette and have that be pontiacs flagship and let the camaro and trans am resume there place as the cheap affordable performace cars...the market is large enough gm just has to advertise it

 

Those are some very interesting points. Many people say that the Fbodies did not sell as well as Mustangs which was true, but hey, we are talking about them aren't we? Just look around the street, I still see so many Fbodies driving around. People also say that Chevy's icon is the Corvette and that Ford's icon is the Mustang, but obviously the Corvette is not an Fbody, and it sure did not target the Mustang. I think this was mentioned earlier, about how the new Mustang will take away a large portion of Fbody owners from GM, and then when the Camaro will be introduced, the market for them won't be so big--I'm afraid of that happening. But then again, anybody who truly loves these cars would go back from the dark side, or never turn to it

 

...this almost seems like predicting the turnout prior to the end of a political election...at least to me.
I think $$$ and power comes into play more than anything. That's why there is no more Oldsmobile division. Cutlass were (and still are) popular vehicles with a targeted market. That market isn't the one that brings in the $$$'s. Look at what GM did with Caddilac. The sales are brisk to say the least. GM targeted a market of influencial sucessful professionals who wanted a combo luxury and a sports vehicle, gave them hp that was part of the "package" and styling...put "grandpa's Sunday car in the forefront and didn't look back.
That's the future...at least in running a sucessful automobile manufacturer today...Only my $.02 the way I see it...
Thanks and God Bless!...

 

I still say that price and options standard are what made this M*stang a good seller, along with a more muscular/angular look than the previous model. I was in a base 02 M*stang a few days ago and I checked out everything. I then had a friend take me for a ride when he was done detailing it. Honestly, even with those things I still can't quite figure out how they sell that many. This car was kept in good condition and had about 22,000 miles on it as the owner does some good highway driving.

The quality of this car is not better than the F-Bodies and there is less room in the front seats. It looked/felt kinda plasticy and had some nice panel gaps. It felt upright more like a regular car and if there is more room in the back seats, it must not be by much for sure. The seats were hard and not that comfortable. The shifter is way too far up. The plastics and interior overall looked and felt cheap. The door panels rattled and shaked when you closed the door. It's handling was nowhere near the level of Third and 4th Gen base cars. Braking was marginal. There was already a ticking sound in the engine. It had a little paint flaking on the fender and slight fading on the hood. (keep in mind this is an 02 and the paint was otherwise in good condition and glossy except for those places) It had an unimpressive sound. (my daily driven RS has been mistaken for a V8 with an OEM replacement muffler) The way the dash and gauges were set up was lousy and not very musclecar-like. It scraped on his driveway. Rims were unattractive. The fake scoops in the hood and sides were just....really fake looking. (at least with IROC hood louvers you can't see that they're not functional) The roof was also pretty low. I will say that it was more compliant over road imperfections though but you gotta factor in that it doesn't have that tight F-Body suspension. The trunk seemed roomy but still not as useful as a hatch. I then found out that the owner is gonna be getting rid of it soon and I don't blame him. It was the 2nd time I was in a M*stang (other was the previous rounder style) and I disliked it just as much if not more than the first time.

 

With the GTO out I really don't know if there's an incentive for GM to build a Fbody.