Funny Cadillac Quote in Motor Trend..
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Originally posted by formula79
I don't see the Sixteen as watered down...more liek refined.
I don't see the Sixteen as watered down...more liek refined.
Originally posted by guionM
I don't think anyone's saying the Sixteen isn't a beauutiful car, far from it. It's just that "beautiful" isn't "daring" or "exciting", which no doubt, the CTS, XLR, and their new SUV is.
Cadillac's current look is distinctive IMHO. There is no doubt in anyone's mind what you are looking at. But looking at the Sixteen, though it is an exceptional looking car, it's one of those designs that would look just as acceptable as a Lincoln concept (pre-RR themed grill age), or even a Chrysler concept (60s era) as much (or even more) as it does a Cadillac. I think that's what's meant by "watered down": less distinctive.
I don't think anyone's saying the Sixteen isn't a beauutiful car, far from it. It's just that "beautiful" isn't "daring" or "exciting", which no doubt, the CTS, XLR, and their new SUV is.
Cadillac's current look is distinctive IMHO. There is no doubt in anyone's mind what you are looking at. But looking at the Sixteen, though it is an exceptional looking car, it's one of those designs that would look just as acceptable as a Lincoln concept (pre-RR themed grill age), or even a Chrysler concept (60s era) as much (or even more) as it does a Cadillac. I think that's what's meant by "watered down": less distinctive.
Perfectly said.
Cadillac needs to retain it's distinctive cutting edge styling... It's working... roll with it!
Originally posted by Darth Xed
Excellent explanation!!
Perfectly said.
Cadillac needs to retain it's distinctive cutting edge styling... It's working... roll with it!
Excellent explanation!!
Perfectly said.
Cadillac needs to retain it's distinctive cutting edge styling... It's working... roll with it!
The Sixteen may not be as daring, but alot of people seemed to intsantly like it at first glance than they did any of the Art and Science cars..with the exception of the Cein.
Originally posted by formula79
BMW and Mercedes Benz didn;t get where they are with cutting edge, like it or not styling. Me thinks if the CTS was a little less akward sales would be even greater. Seems Cadillac is attracting new buyers with its current styling at the risk of alienating it's current base and desired (BMW buyer base). Aside from some hip hop stars I doubt many MB or BMW buyers are looking at anything buy maybe the CTS-V. GM needs to beat the German's with better engineered cars...not like it or not wrappers.
The Sixteen may not be as daring, but alot of people seemed to intsantly like it at first glance than they did any of the Art and Science cars..with the exception of the Cein.
BMW and Mercedes Benz didn;t get where they are with cutting edge, like it or not styling. Me thinks if the CTS was a little less akward sales would be even greater. Seems Cadillac is attracting new buyers with its current styling at the risk of alienating it's current base and desired (BMW buyer base). Aside from some hip hop stars I doubt many MB or BMW buyers are looking at anything buy maybe the CTS-V. GM needs to beat the German's with better engineered cars...not like it or not wrappers.
The Sixteen may not be as daring, but alot of people seemed to intsantly like it at first glance than they did any of the Art and Science cars..with the exception of the Cein.
I think it's right there....
Perhaps 'cutting edge' styling isn't what got BMW and M-B their reputations, but who's to say that there is not more than one path to the same place?
BMW has a clear, distinctive brand identity... Cadillac is now establishing that with distinctive, cutting edge Arts & Sciences styling, and even moreso, IMO.
As far as better engineered cars... well, I have yet to hear anything bad about CTS, except the occasional interior gripe and lack of power gripe, which are being address for MY2004 anyway. The funny thing aboabout the lack of power gripe is that CTS has better power for 2003 than the base 3-series!
CTS styling and Sigma engineering are winning people over!
Originally posted by Darth Xed
My first thought when I saw the CTS were "BMW 3-Series" competitor.
I think it's right there....
Perhaps 'cutting edge' styling isn't what got BMW and M-B their reputations, but who's to say that there is not more than one path to the same place?
BMW has a clear, distinctive brand identity... Cadillac is now establishing that with distinctive, cutting edge Arts & Sciences styling, and even moreso, IMO.
As far as better engineered cars... well, I have yet to hear anything bad about CTS, except the occasional interior gripe and lack of power gripe, which are being address for MY2004 anyway. The funny thing aboabout the lack of power gripe is that CTS has better power for 2003 than the base 3-series!
CTS styling and Sigma engineering are winning people over!
My first thought when I saw the CTS were "BMW 3-Series" competitor.
I think it's right there....
Perhaps 'cutting edge' styling isn't what got BMW and M-B their reputations, but who's to say that there is not more than one path to the same place?
BMW has a clear, distinctive brand identity... Cadillac is now establishing that with distinctive, cutting edge Arts & Sciences styling, and even moreso, IMO.
As far as better engineered cars... well, I have yet to hear anything bad about CTS, except the occasional interior gripe and lack of power gripe, which are being address for MY2004 anyway. The funny thing aboabout the lack of power gripe is that CTS has better power for 2003 than the base 3-series!
CTS styling and Sigma engineering are winning people over!
The CTS is great, and the new STS is gonna be good, but I feel they will need more to be taken seriously...and a styling that appeals to a wider audience.
The Sixteen unlike the Art and Science cars is undeniably Cadillac in appearence...long hood, low roofline, elegent curves, just my opinion though.
Originally posted by formula79
For instance, ride in an Escalade...then ride in a X5....It becomes painfully obvious that the Escalde is a warmed over Tahoe and the X5 is a purpose built luxury/performance SUV.
For instance, ride in an Escalade...then ride in a X5....It becomes painfully obvious that the Escalde is a warmed over Tahoe and the X5 is a purpose built luxury/performance SUV.
Originally posted by formula79
BMW and Mercedes Benz didn;t get where they are with cutting edge, like it or not styling. Me thinks if the CTS was a little less akward sales would be even greater. Seems Cadillac is attracting new buyers with its current styling at the risk of alienating it's current base and desired (BMW buyer base). Aside from some hip hop stars I doubt many MB or BMW buyers are looking at anything buy maybe the CTS-V. GM needs to beat the German's with better engineered cars...not like it or not wrappers.
The Sixteen may not be as daring, but alot of people seemed to intsantly like it at first glance than they did any of the Art and Science cars..with the exception of the Cein.
BMW and Mercedes Benz didn;t get where they are with cutting edge, like it or not styling. Me thinks if the CTS was a little less akward sales would be even greater. Seems Cadillac is attracting new buyers with its current styling at the risk of alienating it's current base and desired (BMW buyer base). Aside from some hip hop stars I doubt many MB or BMW buyers are looking at anything buy maybe the CTS-V. GM needs to beat the German's with better engineered cars...not like it or not wrappers.
The Sixteen may not be as daring, but alot of people seemed to intsantly like it at first glance than they did any of the Art and Science cars..with the exception of the Cein.
On the other hand, Cadillac had to resort to it's strong styling statement to overcome it's less than stellar reputation, and get people to stop and take a second look. And in one of GM's ingenious acts, it worked like nobody's business! Just think, a combination of new quality commitment, a new looks, and a serious RWD chassis has moved Cadillac from second bananna to Lincoln to near (and very realistically, soon to pass) BMW's position in the market place in less than 3 years!
Sixteen is a beautiful car. But it could wear the Lincoln or Chrysler nameplate just as comfortably. That's where the problem is. A problem you don't have looking at the twin kidney's of the BMW, or the grill and smoothed out conventional bodies of Mercedes.
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