Toyota being shown to accelerate faster while pulling is pretty cool.
Like I told you guys a while ago. If GM was to take on a competitor, they need to show one of their trucks doing tug o war with another competitor's truck. Or the 3500 Chevy outpulling a Titan and Tundra. (or Ram and F150 or whatever combination).

If you ask a physicist, they will tell you something very interesting about one truck pulling two.

I think it is against rules for GM to use ideas submitted to them though.

 

I'm driving a Ford F-450 this week. With a tow rating of 24,000 lbs (that's the trailer weight, not the combined weight!), it could easily haul a trailer with three half-ton trucks. Alternatively, with a 5720 lb payload rating, a half-ton truck could just be dropped in the box.

Ford needs to advertise this truck more. It's f'in' amazing.

 

Not according to Tundra owners on Toyota boards either. 4x4's seem to be getting 13/17. My 8 year old Z71 STILL gets 15/18

My 40 year old 67 C-10 with a 700R4 gets 13/15-16 (depending on how heavy my foot is). Way to go Toyota!

 

Humm...vehicles (especially pick-ups) keep getting bigger and heavier with larger engines abd more HP/Tq...is anybody really surprised that a truck built today is only getting about the same or slightly less MPG as one built eight or ten years ago?

Seems to me that advances in effeciency are being offset by ever larger trucks. I'd say if any maker is going to make real progress in better MPG in their trucks then their trucks are going to have to go on a diet.

 

Which means decreased payload and towing numbers. Not something you want to do in such a cut-throat market.

 

Reducing weight can INCREASE towing capacity as long is it isn't altering the structural integrity of the vehicle. Cutting off fat in key non-structural areas would increase towing capacity.

 

Anyone catch the new mustang commercial? They said since there is no other pony car on the market we had to compete against ourselves. And something to the effect of we have been they only ones on the market for the last for years. They are really sticking the knife into GM.

 

While many of you would disagree, I liked my Titan and it gave me good, trouble-free service with impressive performance for the two years I had it. In every way, it was a markedly better vehicle than my ’93 F150. It was also significantly larger. That aside, from a utility standpoint, the Titan didn’t really do anything my F150 couldn’t but it sure took up a lot more space in my driveway.

As for towing and payload and such; it seems to me that people were able to tow and haul what they needed to tow and haul 10, 15 and 20 years ago with pick-ups that were much smaller by today’s standards…I don’t recall that a lot of people couldn’t do what they needed to do with their pick-ups!

That said, I don’t disagree that the market has wanted (or they’ve been made to want) ever larger, heavier, more luxurious pick-up trucks and going the “other way” would not be easy. However, I am beginning to suspect we are seeing the market shift away from such vehicles much like they gravitated toward them back in the mid-late 80’s.

We are seriously looking at $4/gal+ gas as a nationwide average and while people will put up with that for a while, I don’t believe they’ll do so long term. Even people who make good money have to think seriously about a vehicle that takes $60 or $80 or $100 to fill up and gets 15-19 MPG let alone those whos incomes simply can’t absorb those kind of prices.

While I don’t suggest that the full-sized pick-up truck market will ever go away; I would think that all the manufacturers are going to have to think seriously about smaller, lighter, and much more fuel efficient trucks in the very near future.

 

Yea that thing just looks like a Peterbuilt plowed an F-150 at a truck stop and the F-450 is the offspring.

I'd like to see Ford put an end to the Toy ads by pulling the teeter tauter with the Tundra and its so called 10K load just after the Tundra grinds to a trailer brake assisted stop. The resulting movement of the whole setup would show the Tundra tumbling over the side of the cliff.

Or just have some more fun like pulling a Tundra and Titan tug-o-war style with their wheels spinning helplessly all while carrying a Ridgeline in the bed!

Now that's FORD tough!

 

Did they say muscle car or pony car??

If pony car okay..but if they said muscle car..

cough cough GTO cough cough..

 

What about the W/T that Chevy has. They still get around the same MPG???
Is it the saftey and electronics. And not so much the luxury stuff.
every saftey, emmisions and engine management box wire and bag is weight.

 

They said pony car. I rewatched it to make sure I heard them right. I was thinking the GTO, even though it is no longer in production, but it did say pony car.

 

I've no doubt that new regluatoins and such have added their share of complexity and weight. However, I don't know that they made the significant increase in size (hence weither and other negatives) needed...I think you can trace most of that back to simple "one-upmanship".

 

ok nevermind....


and Robert.
Thats about it too. and the larger the truck the larger everythign has to be or longer to travel i nthe body to connect the parts. Ohh well

Maybee someone should come out with a small little truck, gets great gas milage maybee flexfuel or hybrid or DoD or MoD..kinda like the Rampage or a smaller S10??

Ramapge


New S10 (it says el Camino but I think S10 would fit this truck nice)

 

you mean like if they did something like the "Return of Total Performance" - Ford had some neat cars and projects going on during that era. I suppose now'a days it would need to be more than just rubbing Ferrari's face in poo.