Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by WERM
Edited for Comedic Value:
Vehicle to vehicle sales:
Impala vs Taurus:
290,259 vs 248,148
Winner: Avis
Mustang vs Monte Carlo
129,858 vs 57,679:
Loser: Geff Gordon
Cavalier vs Focus:
195,275 vs 208,339
Winner: Focus, with 208,339 recalls
Thunderbird vs Corvette:
11,998 vs 35,276
Owner with no ***** vs. owner with small *****.
Winner: Owner with small *****.
And in case some of you others were wondering:
GM still sold 127 new Camaros, 206 Auroras, 5 Chevy Prizms, 7 Eldorados, & 109 Firebirds. All long discontinued.
(New owners were given a self help book "Coping with instant depreciation")
Corvette sales jumped 26%
(Sales of Viagara are up 26%)
SSR sales jumped an astonding 480%
(480% of SSRs are on sale)
Vehicle to vehicle sales:
Impala vs Taurus:
290,259 vs 248,148
Winner: Avis
Mustang vs Monte Carlo
129,858 vs 57,679:
Loser: Geff Gordon
Cavalier vs Focus:
195,275 vs 208,339
Winner: Focus, with 208,339 recalls
Thunderbird vs Corvette:
11,998 vs 35,276
Owner with no ***** vs. owner with small *****.
Winner: Owner with small *****.
And in case some of you others were wondering:
GM still sold 127 new Camaros, 206 Auroras, 5 Chevy Prizms, 7 Eldorados, & 109 Firebirds. All long discontinued.
(New owners were given a self help book "Coping with instant depreciation")
Corvette sales jumped 26%
(Sales of Viagara are up 26%)
SSR sales jumped an astonding 480%
(480% of SSRs are on sale)
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by guesswhoo
Awesome post WERM. But a man buying a T-Bird HAS a *****. That is why he did'nt go for the Vette. He is "confident" about himself. 


And yet again , the Mustang proving wrong anyone who says theres not a market for 2-door RWD cars .
94lightninggal- Ive driven a Cobalt . Trust me , anyone that has cavi now will be put into shock at just how better the new Cobalt is every possible aspect .
Last edited by 90 Z28SS; Jan 6, 2005 at 10:08 PM.
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by Bob Cosby
It's always interesting to see this sort of data. Thanks for posting. To play devil's advocate for a sec...
The flip side of this: How many GTOs would have sold if they had not been discounted by approximately 17% for the last couple of months ($5500 rebate), along with other incentives? Some folks are reporting that they are buying brand new GTOs for $24k ( or less) which is ~27% off of MSRP.
Just some food for...uh.....throwing out I guess.
The flip side of this: How many GTOs would have sold if they had not been discounted by approximately 17% for the last couple of months ($5500 rebate), along with other incentives? Some folks are reporting that they are buying brand new GTOs for $24k ( or less) which is ~27% off of MSRP.
Just some food for...uh.....throwing out I guess.

how many 04 cobras were sold im wondering?
werent they also discounted?
Last edited by ULTIMTEORANGESS; Jan 7, 2005 at 06:19 PM.
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
10,000-ish in 04. And yes, towards the end of the 25-odd year chassis, they most certainly did discount them - $3000 rebate....and some of us did even better than that.
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by guionM
Impala vs Taurus:
290,259 vs 248,148
290,259 vs 248,148
Originally Posted by guionM
As for competitors:
Mustang Cobra 2003: 13,467
Mustang Mach 1 2003: 9652
GTO 2004: 13,569
Mustang Cobra 2003: 13,467
Mustang Mach 1 2003: 9652
GTO 2004: 13,569
does this make the Cobra and Mach 1 flops too?
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by Z28x
Since the GTO was a flop
does this make the Cobra and Mach 1 flops too?
does this make the Cobra and Mach 1 flops too?
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
does anyone have total sales for GM and ford for 2004?
Originally Posted by Z28x
Since the GTO was a flop
does this make the Cobra and Mach 1 flops too?
does this make the Cobra and Mach 1 flops too?GTO is one car. In NA anyway. The Mustang and its stable mates are still Mustangs.All of them have a horse on them. So nope, Mustang a flop yeah right!!
Game over.
Bob, What color is your Cobra..........
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by 94LightningGal
Cavalier sales do not surprise me at all. When you can give away a brand new car for less than $9K, the sales will come. It doesn't matter how crappy the product is. This was proven very well by the first Hyundai Excel.
It will be interesting to see how Cobalt sales play out. Seeing as how the car is far upmarket from where the Cavalier was. Will the general public see it as the good car it is.............. or see it as a "redesigned" Cavalier with a higher price. (remembering that the general public are not car enthusiasts who know that this is an ALL NEW car). I think the appearance similarities (the Cobalt could be an evolution of the Cavalier in looks) could confuse the laymen.
It will be interesting to see how Cobalt sales play out. Seeing as how the car is far upmarket from where the Cavalier was. Will the general public see it as the good car it is.............. or see it as a "redesigned" Cavalier with a higher price. (remembering that the general public are not car enthusiasts who know that this is an ALL NEW car). I think the appearance similarities (the Cobalt could be an evolution of the Cavalier in looks) could confuse the laymen.
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by Z28x
Since the GTO was a flop
does this make the Cobra and Mach 1 flops too?
does this make the Cobra and Mach 1 flops too?
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by 25thTA
Funny how the Cavalier is considered to be such a bad car by the car magazines and people on this site although they sold very well. It's not as "crappy" as it's made out to be. I drove one for 5 years as my daily driver and put well over 100,000 miles on it. It was a tremendously reliable car. Never had the first bit of mechanical trouble, got great gas mileage and served its purpose very well. The only rattle the car ever had was the loose change I kept in the console.
The only other car I've rented that even came close in mediocrity was a Toyota Corolla.
Re: Ford vs Chevy sales for 2004 (including other GM sales news)
Originally Posted by ULTIMTEORANGESS
are those totals for GM or just chevy?

Additional sales figures for everyone:
General Motors North America produced 4,707,416 vehicles in 2004.
Breakdown:
Chevrolet: 2,763,238 (+4%)
GMC: 602,064 (+4%)
Pontiac: 474,179 (-.3%)
Buick: 309,639 (-8.1%)
Cadillac: 234,217 (+8.4%)
Saturn: 212,017 (-21.8%)
SAAB: 38,159 (-20.4%)
HUMMER: 29,345 (-16.8%)
Oldsmobile: 28,851 (-77.1%)
Isuzu: 15,707 (+19.7%)
http://www.media.gm.com/
Ford Motor Company sold 3,331,676 cars in 2004 (-4.4%).
Breakdown:
Ford: 2,778,678 (-4%)
Mercury:193,534 (-4.3%)
Volvo: 139,067 (+3.3%)
Lincoln: 139,016 (-12.5%)
Jaguar: 45,875 (-16.1%)
Land Rover: 35,506 (-9%)
http://media.ford.com/pdf/Dec2004sales.pdf
Recap:
*Chevrolet is GM's 800 pound gorilla, making up over half of all GM sales ALONE.
*Ford outsells Chevy, though Ford's sales are down & Chevys are up both by 4%.
*Buick outsells Mercury by 16,000 cars, despite a big drop in sales.
*Land Rover outsells Hummer, and Hummers's sales have dropped almost twice as far as Rover.
*Volvo is burying SAAB...badly. A 100,000 cars out of 139,000 is pretty badly.
*Cadillac is outselling Lincoln & Jaguar...combined... by a very large margin. & years ago, Lincoln was outselling Cadillac badly...alone!
Last edited by guionM; Jan 8, 2005 at 10:23 AM.


