http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...rd_recall_dc_3



I love my Chevy.

 

Moved to 5th Gen and Future Vehicle Discussion??? Hmm

 

I hope so:

1.9 million GM cars recalled over potential ignition fires (the EXACT SAME REASON as the the Ford recall):
http://money.cnn.com/2002/04/03/pf/autos/recall_gm/

4 million GM pickups recalled over tailgates:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/03/18/pf/autos/gm_recall/

127,000 Corvettes recalled over steering columns:
http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/gm11_20040211.htm

30,000 Aveos recalled over "unstable" seat belts:
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?i...ort=1&sparte=4

1.2 million GM SUVs recalled over brakelights:
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?i...sort=1&start=1

I could go on and on, but that would be as challenging as choking puppies or clubbing baby seals.

Every carmaker has recalls. That's a fact of life.

 

I've officially been lol I had no idea GM screwed up their vehicles as bad or worse than Ford does. I guess its the major publicity that drew my attention to what happened today.

 

This is grotesquely embarassing for Ford - NO DOUBT.
Notice it resounds to 2000 and a few carry-overs into 2001 SuperCrew trucks. This REAKS of the good ol days of Nasser and the Cost-Cutting Crew. I guess Ford is just lucky it wasn't 4 or 5 years-worth of production.

The trouble is not with the ignition switch thought... it's the Cruise Bypass switch that is mounted on the rear of the master cylinder. This switch disengages cruise when you tap the brake pedal. (Actually, it is a back-up too, the initial cut-off is a vacuum switch under the dash in those units I believe.) The switch stays hot even when the ignition is off (and makes NO sense to me ) and apparently corrosion starts on the contacts and continues to worsen to the point of arcing and/or overheating the plastic housing.

IMO, I think the only thing Ford can do is step-up and take ownership of the problem - fast. Do it right, treat the people respectfully, and don't try to slide in a service job on the side to turn money at the dealer either. I think the public will respond more favorably to a proactive situation than to ignoring and playing it down.

At least there have been no deaths associated with this problem.
(Like that's any huge consequence to those who lost their homes.)

 

I've heard some people's houses have burned down because their truck was parked in the garage.

Flame away, I have no proof of this, but in my perception it seems that GM and Chrysler have been making a good effort to improve their quality. Meanwhile, Ford doesn't seem to be doing anything to improve quality.

 

When houses burned down due to the GM truck fire problem, did you also state that GM's quality was going nowhere???

All manufacturers short of VW have made good inroads in quality. You don't see the volume of recalls on new models like you used to. We can all sit here and whine about the quality of 4-5 year old domestics, because noone had much in the way of bragging rights for those years.

Perception is an amazing thing these days. If Ford recalls 3 2001 Focus's for a piece of trim that falls off, and could give you a little boo boo, it would make the front page of every magazine, newspaper, and is the opening story for every news organization. Yet, when BMW's were burning up left and right (if you don't remember, this was a couple of years ago), noone knew. Noone reported it. Yet it was a MUCH more widespread problem than this. Honda CRV's are burning up left and right. Do you see that as the opening story on the evening news??? So far Honda has said it wasn't a problem............. then said it was the mechanics fault............. then said it was the owners fault................ and will not own up to an actual problem unless NHTSA forces them to.

In other words, noone is immune from recalls............. or problems............ as GuionM pointed out. 2004 was a record year for them, and 2005 probably won't be great either. For anyone.

 

proof?

 

Yup. And no matter what they do to improve their quality, stuff will still happen.

Furthermore, since we are living in such a sue-happy society, the manufacturers have no choice but do a recall even in minor issues

Disclaimer: I am in no way, shape or form saying that the cause of the Ford would be a minor issue.

Anyway... I have to take my Expedition to the dealer??? Oh boy... :blah: ***shudder***

TS

 

Google is your friend. Looks like there is something going on with the CRV.

 

Every manufacturer has recalls,including GM.

 

There is something MAJORLY wrong wiht the CR-V, and it makes me so friggen mad. The media bias is hysterical if you choose not to be angry by it...I choose anger.

I was just thinking of the CR-V thing when I saw this on the news last night. And yet, if it weren't for this board I would have NEVER known CR-Vs were melting down. But they are. Think the media didn't bother with this one? You'd be right. Further, just yesterday in the Wall Street Journal, Honda settled with consumer groups over discriminatory lending practices that supposedly permitted higher interest rates to be charged by dealers to blacks and other minorities. And yet, if this was GMAC it would be front page news in the Journal. When its Honda? Yeah, it was in the last section on page 3...

I hate the media for things like this. No wonder the majority of Americans still see American cars as inferior...at least in the Northeast they do.

 

The problem with the CRV is that they put faulty oil filters on them. When a mechanic would remove the OEM filter, it would leave behind part of the gasket on the flange. So of course most of the people doing the oil changes aren't the most skilled mechanics. So they just screw another oil filter on there, with all that old gasket material still on there. Now we have hot oil leaking onto the exhaust manifold. And FIRE

I'm not sure if its the filter itself that is causing the problem, or the design of the flange. But any idoit with a half a brain should catch the problem.

 

Jason, you are very correct.

The problem is, the media really isn't the media any longer. It isn't about reporting the news to the betterment of society. Its about sensationalizing and buzz words. In other words, the general media has pretty much just become different versions of the National Enquirer.

I frequent many boards. Any time there is a post about some GM or Ford problem, the anti-domestics just pour out of the woodwork. They don't understand how truly small the differences are, in quality, these days. They see abstract numbers showing one brand has less defects than another, but they don't actually take the time to read these tests, or REALLY comprehend the numbers. They don't realize that when it says 109 defects for Toyota, and 130 defects for Ford, that this is per 100 vehicles. In other words, it is 1.09 defects per vehicle for Toyota, and 1.3 for Ford.

Can you tell the difference between 1.09 and 1.3 defects??? Cause I know I sure can't. As the imports are getting larger, they are starting to face the same issues that the domestics have had for years. The more you make, the higher chance for problems, and the greater the chance for these problems to be major.

However, it is all the "rage" to be anti-domestic right now. This is why the National Enquirer media will pick and choose who's fires are newsworthy. The loser will be the domestics.

Its pathetic. There is a good reason I don't watch the news anymore.

 

All have had problems, but all have made impressive improvements in the past couple of years and will continue to do so in the near future. If you're going by recalls, then none was really worse than GM in 2004.

All 3 still have ways to go.