Finally checked out & drove the 300C firsthand.
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Originally posted by centric
The idea of a $10K option package on the CTS makes me want to throw up. GM would do very, very, very well to take a long, hard look at this example.
The idea of a $10K option package on the CTS makes me want to throw up. GM would do very, very, very well to take a long, hard look at this example.
. Yeah, GM is taking a very long look.... at the sales figures!
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Ok, first and foremost i doubt the 300c , the whole 300 series was designed to compete with the cts. Will it steal sales? hell yeah it would.
the 300 series will outsell anything else on the wrong, there is a model for everyone, and when the awd ones come out, the 300's will be selling that much better.
Alot of people bought the cts due to great marketing, is it worth 32k plus? hardly, I would gladly take an Acura TL over any CTS any day, the side profile of cts looks amazing, but hte front, just looks ghey to me and and now every cadillac using same front is making it that much worse, the only caddie, not including trucks, that has a good front is hte xlr, the old seville, and deville to some respect, cts, new sts look hideos from the front.
The 300c as you will find will be taking sales from everywhere, of course you will find a 3.5 for 35k if you load it up with everything, luxury package, sunroof, chrome bling bling, walnut inside, white leather, navigation, hid. but at the same rate, what else will have the interior luxury of a fully loaded 300 luxury edition for 35k? before rebates at that.
then throw a 300c for 32k, where there are limited options, , hid and navigation, all else standard, and for 35k you get a 300c loaded to the full, that has more room and power than anything in its class, nevermind the looks.
As always, when AWD becomes option and you get all that, for 36k, it is a all weather, mean machine, lol, then iin a few years they will come down in price and you will be able to pick up a preowned for half hte price in 2 years. lol.
the 300 series will outsell anything else on the wrong, there is a model for everyone, and when the awd ones come out, the 300's will be selling that much better.
Alot of people bought the cts due to great marketing, is it worth 32k plus? hardly, I would gladly take an Acura TL over any CTS any day, the side profile of cts looks amazing, but hte front, just looks ghey to me and and now every cadillac using same front is making it that much worse, the only caddie, not including trucks, that has a good front is hte xlr, the old seville, and deville to some respect, cts, new sts look hideos from the front.
The 300c as you will find will be taking sales from everywhere, of course you will find a 3.5 for 35k if you load it up with everything, luxury package, sunroof, chrome bling bling, walnut inside, white leather, navigation, hid. but at the same rate, what else will have the interior luxury of a fully loaded 300 luxury edition for 35k? before rebates at that.
then throw a 300c for 32k, where there are limited options, , hid and navigation, all else standard, and for 35k you get a 300c loaded to the full, that has more room and power than anything in its class, nevermind the looks.
As always, when AWD becomes option and you get all that, for 36k, it is a all weather, mean machine, lol, then iin a few years they will come down in price and you will be able to pick up a preowned for half hte price in 2 years. lol.
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Wow, you guys get pretty strict and detailed when you start naming cars that compete with eachother. If you don't think the 300 competes with the CTS, then why would you ever think that a Camaro competes with Mustang, or F150 competes with Silverado? The whole car market is a huge grey area now instead of being black and white like it used to be.
I consider any car that can steal significant sales away from another car to be competition. In that definition, the 300 will compete with CTS, as well as some FWD cars.
Jo American is going to see the CTS and the 300 if he's looking in the sedan market, and he's probably not going to buy both, but he is likely going to look at both. The car manufacturers have equipt their respective cars with all kinds of things to win the buyer over, this has created a competition between the two cars. Jo American is also going to base his purchase off of his needs, ability to drive that car in an environment he has to deal with on a daily basis and for the money he can afford. If he lives in the snowbelt, he's likely to look at some FWD models like an Impala or Grand Prix. Depending on how well GM has made those vehicles, he could choose one of those over the 300. Or he could like the 300 more because the traction control is enough for his duties. This is all competition among car manufacturers. He has a wide variety of choices, and his choices can include a 300 and a CTS and a Grand Prix and whatever, their all competing for his $$, therefore they are competition to eachother.
I consider any car that can steal significant sales away from another car to be competition. In that definition, the 300 will compete with CTS, as well as some FWD cars.
Jo American is going to see the CTS and the 300 if he's looking in the sedan market, and he's probably not going to buy both, but he is likely going to look at both. The car manufacturers have equipt their respective cars with all kinds of things to win the buyer over, this has created a competition between the two cars. Jo American is also going to base his purchase off of his needs, ability to drive that car in an environment he has to deal with on a daily basis and for the money he can afford. If he lives in the snowbelt, he's likely to look at some FWD models like an Impala or Grand Prix. Depending on how well GM has made those vehicles, he could choose one of those over the 300. Or he could like the 300 more because the traction control is enough for his duties. This is all competition among car manufacturers. He has a wide variety of choices, and his choices can include a 300 and a CTS and a Grand Prix and whatever, their all competing for his $$, therefore they are competition to eachother.
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Originally posted by Big Als Z
No, you missed my link.
Road and Track posted the price of the 300 with the 3.5 at 35k. Thats with the 3.5 V6. Like someone said, its probably over 40k full loaded with the Hemi.
No, you missed my link.
Road and Track posted the price of the 300 with the 3.5 at 35k. Thats with the 3.5 V6. Like someone said, its probably over 40k full loaded with the Hemi.
Okay, I went to Chrysler's web site and did the build your own 300C. I checked every single option box including CD changer, DVD navigation, HID headlights, sunroof, etc. I came up with a total of $38,625. That is the most expesive 300C avaible, and a good value if consider how many gadgets you are getting. I don't give a rat's **** about DVD navigation bling-bling screens, so if you can live without that, it'll save you about $2000.
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Originally posted by guionM
I think perhaps the 300 series should be compared to vehicles like the Mercury Grand Marquis, Buick Park Avenue & Pontiac Bonneville since they are in the same price range in top trim. But then again, if a mid-grade 300 is a better deal than a loaded Impala, it certainly turns out a far better deal (and even smaller still) next to those cars.
I think perhaps the 300 series should be compared to vehicles like the Mercury Grand Marquis, Buick Park Avenue & Pontiac Bonneville since they are in the same price range in top trim. But then again, if a mid-grade 300 is a better deal than a loaded Impala, it certainly turns out a far better deal (and even smaller still) next to those cars.
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