A few SS, Grand Prix, and finally Camaro items.
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 632
From: NC
This is ludicris.
The very reason I went MIA from this board for a while was because of all the negativity.
From reading this board one would think that GM can do no right..... WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ENTHUSIASTS.
If the Camaro wont be out until 2009 SO WHAT! Hell, at least you're getting a new Camaro, and that likely would've never happened under the old regime.
------------------
"THE F_O_G HAS RISEN, AND WITH IT BEGINS THE DAWN OF A NEW ERA."
1967-2002, Thanks for 35 years of prestige and performance...... We look forward to the FUTURE.
The very reason I went MIA from this board for a while was because of all the negativity.
From reading this board one would think that GM can do no right..... WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ENTHUSIASTS.
If the Camaro wont be out until 2009 SO WHAT! Hell, at least you're getting a new Camaro, and that likely would've never happened under the old regime.
------------------
"THE F_O_G HAS RISEN, AND WITH IT BEGINS THE DAWN OF A NEW ERA."
1967-2002, Thanks for 35 years of prestige and performance...... We look forward to the FUTURE.
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 2,224
From: CNY
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BigDarknFast:
RedPlanet, thanks for posting! While people here whine and moan about how tight-lipped GM is about future plans, they sometimes neglect to consider the logic operating at GM. For one thing - there's the tender issue of the St. Therese shutdown coming soon. There are ongoing battles with environmental groups and lobbies, watching CAFE like hawks (hmm maybe the next Camaro will have DOD
). But bigger than that, imagine how useful it would be to Ford/DCX/Nissan etal to know the whats/whens of the next Camaro in detail. They would have years of lead time to plan and develop their own competitive offerings... same features, but a little bit better... this hurts the business case for the next Camaro since it changes what can be assumed about sales. Instead, it's more effective to develop the car and then reveal it as late as possible, too late for competitors to react (at least for a couple years after the new Camaro intro). If the car is a hit, it will sell well. Maybe not to the current herd of potential customers posting here (perhaps they will go on the market before it comes out, and go buy a different brand), but instead to folks who are on the market when it comes out. However, I believe that even if GM revealed a solid Camaro prototype right now with intent to produce in say, 2007, no sizable number of customers would believe in it enough to wait all those years and not buy other cars. Of COURSE GM is going to lose some muscle car sales while the Camaro is on hiatus. I'm sure though that GM is doing everything possible to fill the gap ASAP. The GTO is one example...
[This message has been edited by BigDarknFast (edited August 24, 2002).]</font>
RedPlanet, thanks for posting! While people here whine and moan about how tight-lipped GM is about future plans, they sometimes neglect to consider the logic operating at GM. For one thing - there's the tender issue of the St. Therese shutdown coming soon. There are ongoing battles with environmental groups and lobbies, watching CAFE like hawks (hmm maybe the next Camaro will have DOD
). But bigger than that, imagine how useful it would be to Ford/DCX/Nissan etal to know the whats/whens of the next Camaro in detail. They would have years of lead time to plan and develop their own competitive offerings... same features, but a little bit better... this hurts the business case for the next Camaro since it changes what can be assumed about sales. Instead, it's more effective to develop the car and then reveal it as late as possible, too late for competitors to react (at least for a couple years after the new Camaro intro). If the car is a hit, it will sell well. Maybe not to the current herd of potential customers posting here (perhaps they will go on the market before it comes out, and go buy a different brand), but instead to folks who are on the market when it comes out. However, I believe that even if GM revealed a solid Camaro prototype right now with intent to produce in say, 2007, no sizable number of customers would believe in it enough to wait all those years and not buy other cars. Of COURSE GM is going to lose some muscle car sales while the Camaro is on hiatus. I'm sure though that GM is doing everything possible to fill the gap ASAP. The GTO is one example...[This message has been edited by BigDarknFast (edited August 24, 2002).]</font>
BDnF,
I don't think anyone here is asking for exact details of what the F-body replacement is going to be. Nor are they asking for an exact timetable. Well, maybe some are, but they're asking too much.
Most of us, I believe, just want to hear a few official words from GM. Something like:
"We are not abandoning the affordable RWD V-8 performance market. The Firebird and Camaro will be back. More information will be forthcoming in about a years time."
With this type of statement, GM would not have revealed ANYTHING. And it gives hope to all the people who want to replace their current F-body and to those who would like to purchase their first new F-body. It would also keep these people from jumping ship.
I do agree with you however, that what might be keeping GM from making that type of statement is the political situation with the CAW and the Ste. Therese plant.
But if the above political situation does not exist, then there is no reason why GM cannot make a real vague statement about the F-body.
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,139
From: Commerce, mi, USA
HuJass - with you on the benefits of GM making a positive statement, maybe some people need more of a formal statement than others. But I've been watching this site and others for many months (BTW thanks Jason D and others for hosting it!) and I've seen enough statements by RedPlanet and others to keep my faith-meter well in the "green"!
One more thing about this CAW thing... don't expect a big revelation or grandious announcement by GM on 8/29/02 after St. T. closes. Why? Oshawa, of course. Even after St. T. closes, GM will likely be careful about alienating Canadian Auto Workers. Oshawa is a HUGE complex for GM and makes some of their star products like the Impala.
Quote from Future_of_GM:
Amen to that! 
[This message has been edited by BigDarknFast (edited August 25, 2002).]
One more thing about this CAW thing... don't expect a big revelation or grandious announcement by GM on 8/29/02 after St. T. closes. Why? Oshawa, of course. Even after St. T. closes, GM will likely be careful about alienating Canadian Auto Workers. Oshawa is a HUGE complex for GM and makes some of their star products like the Impala.
Quote from Future_of_GM:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">From reading this board one would think that GM can do no right..... WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ENTHUSIASTS.
If the Camaro wont be out until 2009 SO WHAT! Hell, at least you're getting a new Camaro, and that likely would've never happened under the old regime.</font>
If the Camaro wont be out until 2009 SO WHAT! Hell, at least you're getting a new Camaro, and that likely would've never happened under the old regime.</font>
[This message has been edited by BigDarknFast (edited August 25, 2002).]
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 16,176
From: Chicagoland IL
Future and BDF....just generally speaking...I think that most of the contributors to this board have been quite constructive. Really more hopeful than negative.
Sure...we do get the random inappropriate post...which BTW, doesn't help our cause and actually makes me cringe at times.
But I agree with Hujass, some "official" word would go a long way. RP does his best to drop hints while not getting fired, and that input is appreciated.
In the end, however, we are passionate enthusiasts, who are impatiently waiting for word on the car our automotive world revolves around.
This is a Camaro forum after all...not a flower child love-in.
Alitttle well thought out friction is a good thing!
Sure...we do get the random inappropriate post...which BTW, doesn't help our cause and actually makes me cringe at times.
But I agree with Hujass, some "official" word would go a long way. RP does his best to drop hints while not getting fired, and that input is appreciated.
In the end, however, we are passionate enthusiasts, who are impatiently waiting for word on the car our automotive world revolves around.
This is a Camaro forum after all...not a flower child love-in.
Alitttle well thought out friction is a good thing!
Prominent Member
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 2,282
I too believe that something would be better than nothing....
Someone explain to me what is to be gained from the stance that says we aren't telling you anything! As opposed to attempting to keep a lot of people from jumping ship during this hiatus by saying something like We hope to have the car re-introduced by 200?.....hang in there.......OR If there is something to this attempt to pacify the CAW for a few months...saying something like We hope to have an announcement by (?).
Obviously there are many scenarios that are in play here and I'm SURE that if Scott felt like he could say even a little something, he would.
I simply cannot understand the philosophy that treats future models (and the excitement it garners from people like us) like a matter of national security.....we'll give them a few months to straighten out the mess of St. Therese and the loss of the f-body....but give us something to hold onto for the next 5+(?!?) years....it just appears like there isn't anything available for the traditional Chevrolet enthusiast in the near future (Corvette guys are different..they got $$..LOL!).....
Someone explain to me what is to be gained from the stance that says we aren't telling you anything! As opposed to attempting to keep a lot of people from jumping ship during this hiatus by saying something like We hope to have the car re-introduced by 200?.....hang in there.......OR If there is something to this attempt to pacify the CAW for a few months...saying something like We hope to have an announcement by (?).
Obviously there are many scenarios that are in play here and I'm SURE that if Scott felt like he could say even a little something, he would.
I simply cannot understand the philosophy that treats future models (and the excitement it garners from people like us) like a matter of national security.....we'll give them a few months to straighten out the mess of St. Therese and the loss of the f-body....but give us something to hold onto for the next 5+(?!?) years....it just appears like there isn't anything available for the traditional Chevrolet enthusiast in the near future (Corvette guys are different..they got $$..LOL!).....
Thread Starter
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,713
From: The Golden State
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by guionM:
Couple of things to clear up here.
First, for Darth, this upcomming Grand Prix is basically a restyling, therefore not as expensive to do as an entirely new car. GM has had an annoying recent habit of running their cars into the ground w/o any investment. I get a feeling that's gonna change soon.
Second, for those angry at the timeframes, the guesses regarding the Camaro were conservative. As mentioned, could be shorter as GM streamlines development time. Some time ago Branden posted here that redplanet said Camaro could be back at 2006 at the absolute earliest. Basically, the info I scraped together echoed that. 2005-2008 CY (2006-2009 model year), most likely somewhere in the middle. Nothing new here.
</font>
Couple of things to clear up here.
First, for Darth, this upcomming Grand Prix is basically a restyling, therefore not as expensive to do as an entirely new car. GM has had an annoying recent habit of running their cars into the ground w/o any investment. I get a feeling that's gonna change soon.
Second, for those angry at the timeframes, the guesses regarding the Camaro were conservative. As mentioned, could be shorter as GM streamlines development time. Some time ago Branden posted here that redplanet said Camaro could be back at 2006 at the absolute earliest. Basically, the info I scraped together echoed that. 2005-2008 CY (2006-2009 model year), most likely somewhere in the middle. Nothing new here.
</font>
We are already comming up on the 2004 model year in 4 months, 2006-2008 is not very far (2-4 years!) away. I am really dumbfounded at the firestorm I created here because it seems everyone went for the worse case senario, missing the fact that GM aparently is actually in the early stages of bringing back Camaro.
Since Grand Prix information is correct, and Chevy is looking to produce the SS or a dereivitive, I wouldn't be able to convince you to correct where I was off, can I Red??
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,022
From: Newhall, CA USA
I suspect the reason for zero disclosure comes from the typical big-corporation political BS that prevents them from EVER admitting that they've made a mistake. I can't tell you how many times that big companies have made big mistakes, all their customers knew it, and they would not admit it. I can tell you a few instances where it took mid-sized companies down.
I, for one, would be much more engaged and much more committed as a customer if a big corporation said (publicly), hey, we know the previous regime screwed up so long and so hard that some of you have lost faith. Yes, our interiors suck, and we put some cars out to pasture that we shouldn't. But we're going to fix it--we're going to show you--we're going to become the new standard for the world.
It could even become a chance to employ a new model, to use the input from the enthusiast community (including the many great people at this site) to help shape the new Camaro and Firebird. Not passively, by haunting the boards, but by actively soliciting their opinions, forming small groups of committed enthusiasts, balancing them with groups of ordinary people (who buy cars, not SUVs, please), and together shaping a car that can set a new standard.
This is the first time in the history of the world that direct person-to-group and person-to-person communication has been pervasive and effective. Why not use it to create something stunning?
I, for one, would be much more engaged and much more committed as a customer if a big corporation said (publicly), hey, we know the previous regime screwed up so long and so hard that some of you have lost faith. Yes, our interiors suck, and we put some cars out to pasture that we shouldn't. But we're going to fix it--we're going to show you--we're going to become the new standard for the world.
It could even become a chance to employ a new model, to use the input from the enthusiast community (including the many great people at this site) to help shape the new Camaro and Firebird. Not passively, by haunting the boards, but by actively soliciting their opinions, forming small groups of committed enthusiasts, balancing them with groups of ordinary people (who buy cars, not SUVs, please), and together shaping a car that can set a new standard.
This is the first time in the history of the world that direct person-to-group and person-to-person communication has been pervasive and effective. Why not use it to create something stunning?
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 632
From: NC
I agree, the time has come for some sort of announcement. However broad it has to be, GM NEEDS to give us hope SOON.
------------------
"THE F_O_G HAS RISEN, AND WITH IT BEGINS THE DAWN OF A NEW ERA."
1967-2002, Thanks for 35 years of prestige and performance...... We look forward to the FUTURE.
------------------
"THE F_O_G HAS RISEN, AND WITH IT BEGINS THE DAWN OF A NEW ERA."
1967-2002, Thanks for 35 years of prestige and performance...... We look forward to the FUTURE.
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 385
From: Ontario, Canada
I had a thought yesterday, influenced by a lot of what i've read here. Ok, lets say that you are one of the top guys at gm, and for one reason or another, you've had to put the camaro on hiatus. Also, you have some kind of a dilemna whereby you cannot announce a future camaro for x number of years (I'm not saying that this necessarily is the case, but it could be). Now the current generation has finished production and is sold out, and you know that alot of your enthusiasts are getting edgy and may soon abandon you for the competition. What would you do? I think one possibility would be to put out a concept car at a big show (detroit?) as soon as possible, which would pretty much scream 'camaro' without actually being called a camaro, just to get the message across very strongly that the market has not been abandoned, and that something big may be in the works. Like I said just a thought.
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,724
From: Hebron, KY
What I'm so surprised with is how many of you thought the car would return for the '04 or '05 model year. If they were that close to a 5th gen, I doubt they would have put the car on hiatus to begin with. It's also very egocentric to believe GM is making decisions and planning to pacify the outer extreme of their customer base, the enthusiasts. If the car could survive on those sales alone, it'd still be in production.
Bringing a successful, well-thoughtout Camaro back to market will take time, and there is no reason for GM to rush it to market and possibly jeopardize the car's longevity. It was a big move for GM to cancel a car with 35 years of history. They are not going to rush it back in a half-assed manor. Just as RP said, he'd rather the car be delayed a bit longer and be just right than to have it return hastily and fall short.
And people are upset there are no details on a 5th gen yet?? My God, the body is still warm--there are still Camaros on dealer lots! Do you talk about what your new dog is going to be like when your current one is old and sick? Albeit, we hear rumors on the next Mustang and Vette, but this is a bit different--the car (like your old dog) is going away. How many other cars for MY2007+ do you have details on? As enthusiasts, sure we'd like to get all the info we can get our hands on, but the silence is to be expected. We're just going to have to be patient. Thankfully, there seems to be a renaissance going on within GM and next year's NAIAS should prove even more successful than this year's. I think its safe to say they've hit the bottom and are on the upswing.
That's an optimistic way of looking at things anyway. It's also a broader view that isn't based on GM making decisions solely to satisfy the its most hardcore customers.
------------------
-JERRY-
'02 Impreza WRX
'88 Fiero Formula
Formerly owned: '93 Firebird Formula
Bringing a successful, well-thoughtout Camaro back to market will take time, and there is no reason for GM to rush it to market and possibly jeopardize the car's longevity. It was a big move for GM to cancel a car with 35 years of history. They are not going to rush it back in a half-assed manor. Just as RP said, he'd rather the car be delayed a bit longer and be just right than to have it return hastily and fall short.
And people are upset there are no details on a 5th gen yet?? My God, the body is still warm--there are still Camaros on dealer lots! Do you talk about what your new dog is going to be like when your current one is old and sick? Albeit, we hear rumors on the next Mustang and Vette, but this is a bit different--the car (like your old dog) is going away. How many other cars for MY2007+ do you have details on? As enthusiasts, sure we'd like to get all the info we can get our hands on, but the silence is to be expected. We're just going to have to be patient. Thankfully, there seems to be a renaissance going on within GM and next year's NAIAS should prove even more successful than this year's. I think its safe to say they've hit the bottom and are on the upswing.
That's an optimistic way of looking at things anyway. It's also a broader view that isn't based on GM making decisions solely to satisfy the its most hardcore customers.
------------------
-JERRY-
'02 Impreza WRX
'88 Fiero Formula
Formerly owned: '93 Firebird Formula
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 108
From: Plano,Tx
This is a good thread!
And I was expecting a Camaro in 2005 as a 2006 and after reading this thread I know better.
Looks like 2007-2008 is more accurate.
I'll still like GM and if I like the new Camaro at the time who knows, but 5 years is a long time.
The really sad part is that GM will probably write off the current 4th gen owners and concentrate on new buyers for the 5th gen.
And I was expecting a Camaro in 2005 as a 2006 and after reading this thread I know better.
Looks like 2007-2008 is more accurate.
I'll still like GM and if I like the new Camaro at the time who knows, but 5 years is a long time.
The really sad part is that GM will probably write off the current 4th gen owners and concentrate on new buyers for the 5th gen.
Thread Starter
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,713
From: The Golden State
Re: A few SS, Grand Prix, and finally Camaro items.
Originally posted by guionM
A few days ago, I recieved a message indicating the next Grand Prix was going to be RWD. I assumed that the car he was talking about was the upcomming Grand Prix.
Later found out that he meant the NEXT Grand Prix (the upcomming Grand Prix is already done as far as he's concerned. Oops. :O ). In between time, while I was bugging a few people who would know more details, I did find some items that are interesting, though nothing really totally new or ground breaking:......
*The upcomming GrandPrix will be a relatively short lived model, planned to be around for only 3-4 years.
*The "surprises" that Lutz mentioned regarding the upcomming Grand Prix includes: a passenger seat that folds flat, a larger pass-through to the trunk, interior quality that matches CTS, and finally, the engine WILL infact make 280 horsepower (Lutz himself stepped in to ensure it). It's already finalized.......
A few days ago, I recieved a message indicating the next Grand Prix was going to be RWD. I assumed that the car he was talking about was the upcomming Grand Prix.
Later found out that he meant the NEXT Grand Prix (the upcomming Grand Prix is already done as far as he's concerned. Oops. :O ). In between time, while I was bugging a few people who would know more details, I did find some items that are interesting, though nothing really totally new or ground breaking:......
*The upcomming GrandPrix will be a relatively short lived model, planned to be around for only 3-4 years.
*The "surprises" that Lutz mentioned regarding the upcomming Grand Prix includes: a passenger seat that folds flat, a larger pass-through to the trunk, interior quality that matches CTS, and finally, the engine WILL infact make 280 horsepower (Lutz himself stepped in to ensure it). It's already finalized.
......
Well, at least I got the horsepower wrong.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5356
Registered User
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 632
From: NC
Re: Re: A few SS, Grand Prix, and finally Camaro items.
Originally posted by guionM
Well, at least I got the horsepower wrong.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5356
Well, at least I got the horsepower wrong.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5356
WELL, if you want to get technical about it. The GM Media Release said; "The GTP horsepower was up to 250 (at press time)"
So, we could see an increase before the start of production.
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 22
From: Home of the New Camaro
A few days ago, I recieved a message indicating the next Grand Prix was going to be RWD. I assumed that the car he was talking about was the upcomming Grand Prix.
Later found out that he meant the NEXT Grand Prix (the upcomming Grand Prix is already done as far as he's concerned. Oops. :O ). In between time, while I was bugging a few people who would know more details, I did find some items that are interesting, though nothing really totally new or ground breaking:
*That SS concept is actually the direction that Chevrolet is planning to take with their RWD sedan. In fact, Chevy will go RWD before Pontiac (GTO not included).
*The redesigned Holden V-chassis will have some sigma components (to save money, believe it or not!) & will be the basis of Chevy's car. Cadillac-like sigma cars will be restricted only to Cadillac & Buick. Also, "Sigma-lite" IS in fact a myth.
*Chevy is the prime motivator in this RWD project, not Pontiac. They have Lutz & Cowger clearing the way, but it's still Chevy's show. They are the ones running the development (they'll also likely be sell the overwhelming majority of this chassis).
*The upcomming GrandPrix will be a relatively short lived model, planned to be around for only 3-4 years.
*The "surprises" that Lutz mentioned regarding the upcomming Grand Prix includes: a passenger seat that folds flat, a larger pass-through to the trunk, interior quality that matches CTS, and finally, the engine WILL infact make 280 horsepower (Lutz himself stepped in to ensure it). It's already finalized.
*There was to be a redesign of the FWD Monte Carlo in 2005-2006, but was cancelled & will instead, move to a different chassis with a year or 2 delay .
The current plan is to have the production Chevy SS (or whatever it will be called) out in 2006 as a 2007 at the latest. Whatever happens with GM's efforts to streamline development and progress in chassis development can bring it here earlier, but not likely by more than a year. Camaro won't be out before the sedan. Sorry.
I mentioned my idea about Solstice using Camaro's structure to pump up volume, and it seems it isn't practical. Though some suspension & drivetrain components may be shared, the goal with Solstice is to keep it as close to the concept as possible. My idea would make a Solstice that would likely be bigger & over the weight & price targets.
Finally, of intrest to alot of you here, Camaro. Again, Chevrolet is the prime mover in developing a low cost RWD chassis. That is the program Camaro is riding on & "hiding" in, not Corvette's. That is also where it's development money is currently going, along with any other money GM can scrape up (the way I understood it, it's like the book "All Corvettes Are Red" substituting Chevy's RWD chassis for the Corvette and the Chevrolet Motor Division in place of Team Corvette). Seems that although Zarella planned to bring RWD back to Cadillac & Buick, everyone else was to make due with FWD!
The new Camaro will be back, possibly at the same time of the RWD Monte Carlo introduction(this was one individual's strong belief, and another said he can certainly see that happening) within a year or so after the sedan's introduction in 2007 to 2008 at the latest (barring problems). Still too far in the future to be certain, but at least it's in the plans.
Later found out that he meant the NEXT Grand Prix (the upcomming Grand Prix is already done as far as he's concerned. Oops. :O ). In between time, while I was bugging a few people who would know more details, I did find some items that are interesting, though nothing really totally new or ground breaking:
*That SS concept is actually the direction that Chevrolet is planning to take with their RWD sedan. In fact, Chevy will go RWD before Pontiac (GTO not included).
*The redesigned Holden V-chassis will have some sigma components (to save money, believe it or not!) & will be the basis of Chevy's car. Cadillac-like sigma cars will be restricted only to Cadillac & Buick. Also, "Sigma-lite" IS in fact a myth.
*Chevy is the prime motivator in this RWD project, not Pontiac. They have Lutz & Cowger clearing the way, but it's still Chevy's show. They are the ones running the development (they'll also likely be sell the overwhelming majority of this chassis).
*The upcomming GrandPrix will be a relatively short lived model, planned to be around for only 3-4 years.
*The "surprises" that Lutz mentioned regarding the upcomming Grand Prix includes: a passenger seat that folds flat, a larger pass-through to the trunk, interior quality that matches CTS, and finally, the engine WILL infact make 280 horsepower (Lutz himself stepped in to ensure it). It's already finalized.
*There was to be a redesign of the FWD Monte Carlo in 2005-2006, but was cancelled & will instead, move to a different chassis with a year or 2 delay
.The current plan is to have the production Chevy SS (or whatever it will be called) out in 2006 as a 2007 at the latest. Whatever happens with GM's efforts to streamline development and progress in chassis development can bring it here earlier, but not likely by more than a year. Camaro won't be out before the sedan. Sorry.
I mentioned my idea about Solstice using Camaro's structure to pump up volume, and it seems it isn't practical. Though some suspension & drivetrain components may be shared, the goal with Solstice is to keep it as close to the concept as possible. My idea would make a Solstice that would likely be bigger & over the weight & price targets.
Finally, of intrest to alot of you here, Camaro. Again, Chevrolet is the prime mover in developing a low cost RWD chassis. That is the program Camaro is riding on & "hiding" in, not Corvette's. That is also where it's development money is currently going, along with any other money GM can scrape up (the way I understood it, it's like the book "All Corvettes Are Red" substituting Chevy's RWD chassis for the Corvette and the Chevrolet Motor Division in place of Team Corvette). Seems that although Zarella planned to bring RWD back to Cadillac & Buick, everyone else was to make due with FWD!
The new Camaro will be back, possibly at the same time of the RWD Monte Carlo introduction(this was one individual's strong belief, and another said he can certainly see that happening) within a year or so after the sedan's introduction in 2007 to 2008 at the latest (barring problems). Still too far in the future to be certain, but at least it's in the plans.
